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Politics : View from the Center and Left

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To: ManyMoose who wrote (85213)9/18/2008 3:33:55 AM
From: Cogito  Read Replies (1) of 543753
 
>>Don't try to twist my responses around like that, Allen.

I did NOT say that innocent Iraqis who got killed during our attacks mean nothing. It's very regrettable, and we did our utmost to avoid innocents UNLIKE ANY OTHER NATION IN HISTORY HAS DONE BEFORE.

But their fate was the result of their own constitution and the abuse of power of their leaders, and is NOT OUR PROBLEM.<<

MM -

I wasn't trying to twist your response, MM. It was so brief, and seemed so heartless, that I couldn't see any interpretation other than the obvious one.

This response, though including a bit more rationalization, is really not much better.

Blaming the deaths of innocent Iraqis on their own constitution pretty much takes us right off the hook, though, doesn't it? Their constitution and their crazy leader made us do it.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic in your position. I also don't see accountability or empathy.

And no, I don't know that the detainees at Gitmo haven't been abused. In fact, there is ample evidence that they have been. Besides, Gitmo isn't the only place we have detainees, and it's well established that many of our prisoners have been tortured in various ways. Or have you already forgotten Abu Ghraib?

We'd better stop talking about this. You may have the last word if you want it.

- Allen
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