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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction

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From: Brumar8910/9/2008 1:30:26 PM
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Another View low - McCain was a terrorist too and besides Ayers-Dohrn didn't kill anyone:

Every time I think of William Ayers, I also think of John McCain, because they are of the same era, and they both believed in the efficacy of violence. According to an article in Friday's New York Times, McCain once said of Ayers, "How can you countenance someone who was engaged in bombings that could have or did kill innocent people?" He had to use that "could have or did" because no one knows if bombs Ayers built actually killed anyone -- let's say that the odds are against it. Likewise, no one knows whether the bombs John McCain dropped on North Vietnam ever killed anyone. According to McCain's biography, "With the outbreak of the Vietnam War, McCain volunteered for combat duty and began flying carrier-based attack planes on low-altitude bombing runs against the North Vietnamese. ...On October 26, 1967, during his 23rd air mission, McCain´s plane was shot down during a bombing run over the North Vietnamese capital of Hanoi." Let's say, given those twenty-three bombing runs, the odds are for McCain having killed some innocents. How can you countenance someone who was engaged in bombings that could have or did kill innocent people, John?

But, of course, John McCain's defense is that he was performing his patriotic duty, and that's what William Ayers would have said, too. I remember the Vietnam War. It was not a war of self-defense that the U.S. had to wage or had to win. It was a war of aggression, a waste of resources, lives, manpower, global good will, and national spirit. And, many would say, it was a war crime. Those who were against it viewed their protests as essential patriotism, a way of correcting terrible choices and profound injustices.

According to the New York Times article, William Ayers' case was thrown out of court because of "illegal wiretaps and prosecutorial misconduct", exactly the sort of activities that will get cases brought against the Guantanamo detainees by the Bush Administration thrown out of court. Deja vu all over again.

In the meantime, what about the case against John McCain? The next time he goes abroad, might some enterprising human rights activist step up to him and put him under a citizens' arrest for war crimes and get him hauled off to the The Hague?

I don't think Barack Obama would like that. As snarky and contemptuous as McCain acts toward Obama, I think President Obama would defend McCain. In fact, I think he would feel about him as he does about Ayers -- he's an old man, and the wars he once fought are over and done with. Time to get past fighting old battles. Sometimes I agree with him. But then McCain brings up Williams Ayers again, and I can't help thinking of those bombing runs, and those dead innocents.

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Facts:

Brian V. McDonnell was murdered.

Robert Fogarty was wounded and partially blinded.

We have excellent reasons to believe the bomb which killed and maimed these two San Francisco policemen was made by Bernadine Dohrn, with the knowledge and assistance of Bill Ayers. Ayers disclosed knowledge of how the bomb was made and where it was placed that only a guilty party would know.

Murdering policemen had nothing to do with protesting a war.

Avoiding a murder conviction because of prosecutorial misconduct isn't the same as being innocent in fact. Brian McDonnell is still really dead even if the people who murdered him escaped justice.

It is only on the left that we find assertions that fighting in a war is morally equivalent to murdering policemen.
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Seems that in order to defend Obama, one has to

lie about the murder of Brian V. McDonnell - "no one knows if bombs Ayers built actually killed anyone -- let's say that the odds are against it."

defend the Weather Underground on the basis of their alleged noble motives - "John McCain's defense is that he was performing his patriotic duty, and that's what William Ayers would have said, too." (What possible patriotic duty is performed in murdering a policeman? What does it even have to do with the alleged evil Viet Nam war? BTW the WU weren't even "antiwar", they considered themselves warriors on the other side. )

and put forward the notion that military service and politically motivated murder of police officers are moral equivalents.

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Prediction: Soon we'll be seeing assertions there that opposition to Obama is racist.
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