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Politics : The abortion issue: pro-choice vs. anti-abortion

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To: TimF who wrote (109)	10/15/2008 1:02:32 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) of 286

<Do you think that if you where a woman you would have a right to determine the issue for other women?> No, "right to chose" assumes each woman choses. <If your answer is no, then you confirm my point that the whole point about being a man is at least irrelevant, and arguably ridiculous.> Well, my main point is across... you understand the viewpoint that each individual woman is really the best qualified to decide these things. So NEW TOPIC: SOOOOOOOOO.... now were on the tangential topic of who gets to vote on the issue of taking away that womans right to chose... It seems there are many possible reasons for this... I'll just fire off what comes into my head. * Society has decided that reproduction is to be controlled by and for the greatest good to the community AS A WHOLE? * Society has decided to grant certain legal status and rights to unborn offspring at a certain stage (s) of developement. * The many possible variation on the above that make society decide to intervene in the developemental process at a certain stage to protect unborn babies from possible harm from the mothers including developing penalties for various acts deemed harmful to unborn babies. <The status of the fetus is a general political, moral, philosophical, and legal issue about which men legitimately have as much to say as women. They are not, and should not be preemptively excluded from the debate on any level.> No, because once you have decided on the above... then any laws, penalties, timing, etc. need context just like all laws. Woman (and specifically those who have had certain experiences...but certainly all men would be excluded) are the only ones who have the emotional and experiential ability to know of the context involved for various crimes. There is no way a male can possibly know about the emotional hormonal mood swing and attachment or DIS-attachment the occurs in the mind of a mother who for instance has been raped or for some other reason is getting signals of danger or disaster about the future pertaining to her baby. <Then your back to the whole "I don't have a say because I'm a man" theme as being entirely irrelevant.> I'm only claiming it's relevant given today's context that a decision needs to be made (I don't think it does) that is essentially deciding when the unborn is separate from the mother and needs protection from the mother. Why? Because when deciding these issues only women know the context as to why and when it would be decided that the child is separate from them. All laws always depend on CONTEXT... Men have no way of experiencing these things and certainly shouldn't be consulted when deciding on a sentance for a woman aborting her child at certain times during developement for example... other than to 'help' formulate based on interviews or such with females. This wouldn't included the hypothetical cases where society has decided offspring issues to be of such importance deemed worth of specifically defining a womans roll in relation to the greater good... but that doesn't seem to be the case today with this issue. DAK

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