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Politics : The abortion issue: pro-choice vs. anti-abortion
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To: LLCF who wrote (114)10/15/2008 7:44:59 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 286
 
I started out the "discussion"... ie. not an argument... assuming that the mother and fetus are not separate...

Yes (yes they are not separate) if you mean "separate" as "not physically connected", "not dependent on", "not collocated" or anything similar.

Not if you mean "separate" as "not distinct individuals", or as "one single thing".

they both always have rights which are intertwined. This is intuitively obvious no?

Since they are physically connected, and since one is fully dependent on the other, actions effecting one, or the rights of one, are likely to effect the other. If that's what you mean by "rights which are intertwined" then I guess I agree, but I'm not sure that's what you mean. At most I think that is part of what you mean by the term not the whole thing, and I wouldn't go further than that.

But here in the US... the mother has "special status" which decreases over time in AND the fetus has rights which increase over time.

Effectively this isn't the case to a very great extent, unless by "over time" you mean "after birth".

Abortion is effectively legal throughout pregnancy. In the third trimester abortions can be heavily regulated, but only if there is an out when there is a concern for the health of the mother, and that term has been defined by courts so broadly (including mental health, itself defined broadly), that it amounts to something close to "abortion is legal at all points of a pregnancy". Effectively if the woman wants an abortion the law doesn't forbid her from having one.
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