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To: epicure who wrote (94614)	11/7/2008 5:50:02 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) of 541503

The real test of universality is the question "Do these values extend to everyone regardless of their religious precepts or who their parents are?" A quick check of this would go a long way in determining how "bigoted" a protection could be and whether or not it should be mandated by the government. Prayer in school - No issue - pray away but do it solo and quietly outside class rooms. Can't be sponsored by school - this crosses the line of "establishment". Private schools can do it. Gay marriage bans - No logical basis for rejecting other people's lifestyle choices, but churches don't have to marry gay parishioners. Join a church that will if you are gay. Government has no basis to force Catholics or anyone else to acknowledge gay marriage as legitimate. I feel we should eliminate the legal status of marriage anyway and go to a dependent-based model for taxation purposes. Side by side teaching of Creation "Science" with evolution - No scientific basis for faith-based "sciences". The underlying assumption of "god or gods" can't be challenged. Physics is the model science. If you feel that you can prove there aren't atoms, then your experiment better be pretty good. You are free to conduct it. Evolution is a theory supported by tons of evidence, which can be re-interpreted or challenged. Religious science necessitates God and is based upon faith, which can't challenge the underlying principle. Belief that the world is rational is not the same type of belief as that of God when it comes to science. Apples and oranges. Call it a humanities coarse and I'm okay with it: Philosophy of Science. Must be a survey course and be inclusive. Parental veto of abortion rights - Maybe. Overlapping rights here. Do parents have a say? Yes, but... there is probably an age component here - ten years old is one thing, seventeen and a half is another. This one is difficult. Parental veto of standard medical treatment ala Christian Scientists - No basis for withholding standard medical practice from others (IMO). Adults can refuse treatment for religious reasons for themselves. Children should be protected if normal medical practice would likely save them. This is a medical issue and not a religious one for minors, IMO. Suppose a Muslim wants to have their daughter wear a veil during major facial surgery. I'd have to say "No." Parental veto of required immunization. Maybe. There is clearly a public health issue, but people are also harmed by vaccines - I suspect any vaccine with ANY amount of mercury in it is harmful. People can vary in their tolerance but there is really no GOOD amount and the ACCEPTABLE amount can't be assessed without a mercury sensitivity test. That is inconvenient and expensive. There are many other things in vaccines that may have long term immunological consequences such as animal proteins. If vaccines were derived from genetically modified peanuts, that might kill a whole lot of people. Informed consumers should be able to decide in most cases. The centrists all probably have similar opinions on these. But there may be one or two that some people can't yield on.

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