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Pastimes : Don't Ask Rambi

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To: Rambi who wrote (69768)1/7/2009 7:18:43 PM
From: koan  Read Replies (2) of 71178
 
Maybe you will not want to set your hair on fire so often when you read my (anti intellectual claim posts), after you read this New York Times article.

I loved the undies story-lol. Very bold of you-lol. Guys, they are all cut out of the same piece of cloth. Boring. women are much more interesting-lol.

Subject: FW: NYTimes.com Article: Believe It, or Not

>>> > > Believe It, or Not
>>> > >
>>> > > August 15, 2003
>>> > > By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

> > > Today marks the Roman Catholics' Feast of the Assumption,
>>> > > honoring the moment that they believe God brought the
>>> > > Virgin Mary into Heaven. So here's a fact appropriate for
>>> > > the day: Americans are three times as likely to believe in
>>> > > the Virgin Birth of Jesus (83 percent) as in evolution (28
>>> > > percent).
>>> > >
>>> > > So this day is an opportunity to look at perhaps the most
>>> > > fundamental divide between America and the rest of the
>>> > > industrialized world: faith. Religion remains central to
>>> > > American life, and is getting more so, in a way that is
>>> > > true of no other industrialized country, with the possible
>>> > > exception of South Korea.
>>> > >
>>> > > Americans believe, 58 percent to 40 percent, that it is
>>> > > necessary to believe in God to be moral. In contrast, other
>>> > > developed countries overwhelmingly believe that it is not
>>> > > necessary. In France, only 13 percent agree with the U.S.
>>> > > view. (For details on the polls cited in this column, go to
>>> > > www.nytimes.com/kristofresponds.)
>>> > >
>>> > > The faith in the Virgin Birth reflects the way American
>>> > > Christianity is becoming less intellectual and more
>>> > > mystical over time. The percentage of Americans who believe
>>> > > in the Virgin Birth actually rose five points in the latest
>>> > > poll.
>>> > >
>>> > > My grandfather was fairly typical of his generation: A
>>> > > devout and active Presbyterian elder, he nonetheless
>>> > > believed firmly in evolution and regarded the Virgin Birth
>>> > > as a pious legend. Those kinds of mainline Christians are
>>> > > vanishing, replaced by evangelicals. Since 1960, the number
>>> > > of Pentecostalists has increased fourfold, while the number
>>> > > of Episcopalians has dropped almost in half.
>>> > >
>>> > > The result is a gulf not only between America and the rest
>>> > > of the industrialized world, but a growing split at home as
>>> > > well. One of the most poisonous divides is the one between
>>> > > intellectual and religious America.
>>> > >
>>> > > Some liberals wear T-shirts declaring, "So Many Right-Wing
>>> > > Christians . . . So Few Lions." On the other side, there
>>> > > are attitudes like those on a Web site,
>>> > > dutyisours.com/gwbush.htm, explaining the 2000 election
>>> > > this way:
>>> > >
>>> > > "God defeated armies of Philistines and others with
>>> > > confusion. Dimpled and hanging chads may also be because of
>>> > > God's intervention on those who were voting incorrectly.
>>> > > Why is GW Bush our president? It was God's choice."
>>> > >
>>> > > The Virgin Mary is an interesting prism through which to
>>> > > examine America's emphasis on faith because most Biblical
>>> > > scholars regard the evidence for the Virgin Birth, and for
>>> > > Mary's assumption into Heaven (which was proclaimed as
>>> > > Catholic dogma only in 1950), as so shaky that it pretty
>>> > > much has to be a leap of faith. As the Catholic theologian
>>> > > Hans Küng puts it in "On Being a Christian," the Virgin
>>> > > Birth is a "collection of largely uncertain, mutually
>>> > > contradictory, strongly legendary" narratives, an echo of
>>> > > virgin birth myths that were widespread in many parts of
>>> > > the ancient world.
>>> > >
>>> > > Jaroslav Pelikan, the great Yale historian and theologian,
>>> > > says in his book "Mary Through the Centuries" that the
>>> > > earliest references to Mary (like Mark's gospel, the first
>>> > > to be written, or Paul's letter to the Galatians) don't
>>> > > mention anything unusual about the conception of Jesus. The
>>> > > Gospels of Matthew and Luke do say Mary was a virgin, but
>>> > > internal evidence suggests that that part of Luke, in
>>> > > particular, may have been added later by someone else (it
>>> > > is written, for example, in a different kind of Greek than
>>> > > the rest of that gospel).
>>> > >
>>> > > Yet despite the lack of scientific or historical evidence,
>>> > > and despite the doubts of Biblical scholars, America is so
>>> > > pious that not only do 91 percent of Christians say they
>>> > > believe in the Virgin Birth, but so do an astonishing 47
>>> > > percent of U.S. non-Christians.
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm not denigrating anyone's beliefs. And I don't pretend
>>> > > to know why America is so much more infused with religious
>>> > > faith than the rest of the world. But I do think that we're
>>> > > in the middle of another religious Great Awakening, and
>>> > > that while this may bring spiritual comfort to many, it
>>> > > will also mean a growing polarization within our society.
>>> > >
>>> > > But mostly, I'm troubled by the way the great intellectual
>>> > > traditions of Catholic and Protestant churches alike are
>>> > > withering, leaving the scholarly and religious worlds
>>> > > increasingly antagonistic. I worry partly because of the
>>> > > time I've spent with self-satisfied and unquestioning
>>> > > mullahs and imams, for the Islamic world is in crisis today
>>> > > in large part because of a similar drift away from a rich
>>> > > intellectual tradition and toward the mystical. The heart
>>> > > is a wonderful organ, but so is the brain.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
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