Well let's see: I claim the Bible condones genocide. You've conceded that point.
Actually, I corrected your claim. The Bible relates that God once both commanded it and committed it at specific times in the past. Your "condones" is present tense and thus you're claiming the Bible allows it in the present and presumably in the future as well. That isn't true. You haven't acknowledged my correction.
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I claim that any religion which teaches and believes that Hitler's 6 million Jewish victims are in hell is morally disgusting. You haven't conceded this point but you haven't refuted it either.
I've pointed out that the Christian concept of hell and punishment isn't simple and cut and dried as you want it to be. Remember the discussion of hell as separation from God, gradations of punishment for different degrees of sinners, concepts of annihilationism and eventual universal reconciliation? I will agree that I think your concept of what hell MUST be is simplistic and morally problematic.
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You claim i urge people to give up their religion: that's false.
Are you claiming that you have no problem with people holding morally disgusting genocide condoning beliefs? Okay, Steve if you say you think a certain people's beliefs are morally sick and pro-genocide but you don't want to urge those people to give up those morally sick genocide condoning beliefs, I suggest you make that plain.
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You claim i argue Christianity is evil: that too is false.
Then you're claiming condoning genocide isn't evil. If that's really your position, please state it plainly.
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You claim a poster here has called for the destruction of Israel but you refuse to present even a single post to back up your claim.
It isn't necessary for me to back this up especially when to do so would require a vast amount of searching. I did show you that Hamas and Hezbollah have genocidal programs and one can reasonably believe that people who support them in a conflict with their intended genocide target approve of such program. I don't think a reasonable person needs more backup than that.
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Summing up Steve Dietrich on religion:
X is morally sick. X condones genocide. But don't say I think X is evil. Or that I want people to give up X.
Thats your position, Steve, and it amounts to ludricious rhetorical game playing.
Is there a form of Christianity that you could be truly tolerant of? Based on past posts, one would have to hypothesize some mythical version of Christianity that holds the Bible in contempt, rejects the concept of divine punishment of sinners as unjust (cause he created us sinners), rejects a belief in Jesus's substitutionary atonement, accepts abortion, homosexuality, and blesses same-sex marriage. So yeah, if there were a form of Christianity that rejected the Bible, all Christian doctrines and any moral view that clashed with current liberal fads, you'd approve of it. Don't know why anyone would call that Christian though. |
