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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: one_less who wrote (470012)4/9/2009 12:31:59 PM
From: SilentZ1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) of 1574122
 
>Gays express a great deal of resentment toward the straight community.

And we express a great deal of resentment towards theirs. So?

>I don't see where gays gain anything by Marriage which they can't have through civil union or simple contracting.

You probably also would have not seen where blacks gained anything by drinking at the whites-only water fountains when they could've gotten water from the black ones or a garden hose.

>Gays complain that they want to be considered the same as straights are in society at large.

And they should be. Why not? They're pretty much like you and me. I have plenty of gay friends; I don't really consider them much different except for what they do with their genitals.

>The presentation I gave is in general a summary description of why straight marriage should be honored.

What presentation? Did I miss something?

>Gays and lefty gay movement supporters object everytime I suggest heterosexual relationships should be honored.

They should be. Relationships are powerful things. But what makes them better than a homosexual one?

>That is telling in itself. Of course there are exceptions and every family circumstance is unique in some fashion. However, Gay subculture community develops quite differently.

Not so much these days. And a lot of the reason why it's historically developed differently is because it had to be done in secret. And even if it did develop differently, so what?

>I am arguing that gays resent straights and the marriage issue is more about an attempt to deny straights a distinct identity than to be included in anything.

Why should they have a distinct identity? I don't want to treat anyone differently because of what they do with their penises or vaginas?

>They say they don't like being stigmatized as different. The fact is, homosexuals can never have what straights have and be gay at the same time.

Why not? I don't see my gay married friends as particularly different from my straight ones. And as gay marriage comes to a neighborhood near you, you'll see that. Contractual monogamy changes the game.

>There is a fundamental difference that impacts goals, values, and a sense of community.

Not really. Gays are PART of my community.

>They are not the same

They certainly are. Or very close to it.

>and the rights and freedoms movement issue is completely bogus, no rights or freedoms are being denied.

The law has historically not smiled upon "separate but equal" in the last half-century or so. Good luck with that.

-Z
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