And you think you know? Yes, though you have no real knowledge, you're sure monstrous things have happened.
Why we've probably killed millions in death camps ... secretly of course.
"The Obama adm will use rendition (like the Clinton adm did) - sending people to other countries where they'll be REALLY tortured. "
What did I just tell you Panetta said yesterday.....NO more black prisons...that's what you're referring to and don't know it.
I know what I'm talking about. You don't know what you're talking about and here's proof:
CIA director Leon Panetta said in an official statement April 9 that the agency will no longer use secret overseas prisons or "black sites" to hold terrorism suspects, adding that plans are being made to shut the remaining overseas detention facilities down. Panetta also wrote that he has ordered that the "contracts for site security be promptly terminated." The statement did not give details as to where such detention facilities have been or are still located.
Additionally, Panetta stated that in line with an order from President Barack Obama—signed the day after he took office on Jan. 21—"the CIA does not employ any of the enhanced interrogation techniques that were authorized by the Justice Department from 2002 to 2009." (RFE/RL, April 10)
However, according to a detailed reading of the executive orders signed by Obama on Jan. 22, "renditions" have not been banned. "Obviously you need to preserve some tools—you still have to go after the bad guys," an anonymous administration official told the Los Angeles Times. "The legal advisers working on this looked at rendition. It is controversial in some circles and kicked up a big storm in Europe. But if done within certain parameters, it is an acceptable practice."
Section 2 (g) of Obama's January order appears to allow the US authorities to continue secret detention of terror suspects, if not for open-ended periods: "The terms 'detention facilities' and 'detention facility' in section 4(a) of this order do not refer to facilities used only to hold people on a short-term, transitory basis." (The Telegraph, Feb. 2; LAT, Feb. 1)
ww4report.com
Obama's Fine Print On Security
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But to get a get full picture of the Obama approach, you have to read the fine print of the executive orders -- and also what they didn't say.
First, Obama hasn't banned the process known as "extraordinary rendition." This technique has been used by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies for more than 30 years to seize people overseas, either unilaterally or with permission of the host country, and take them somewhere else for interrogation and possible judicial action. That authority hasn't changed, nor has the CIA's ability to work with foreign intelligence services that are interrogating terrorist suspects.
The executive orders propose a new task force that will "study and evaluate the practices of transferring individuals to other nations" to ensure that such transfers don't send prisoners to countries where they would "face torture." Although the CIA secret detention facilities are being closed, the order notes that this doesn't refer to "facilities used only to hold people on a short-term, transitory basis." The order doesn't define "short-term" or "transitory."
"Rendition is still permitted," said Leon Panetta, the new CIA director, in a Feb. 25 meeting with reporters. "If we render someone, we are obviously going to seek assurances from that country that their human rights are protected and that they are not mistreated." The CIA hasn't had any rendition cases since Obama took office, but when opportunities arise they will be cleared with the White House on a case-by-case basis.
In drafting the new policy on interrogation, Obama and his advisers recognized that there could be extraordinary situations -- say, a suspect with information about nuclear terrorism -- where the president could decide to waive the executive order banning harsh techniques. "Everybody understands that if the nation faces a severe threat, the president can do what's needed to protect us. But he has to explain it. The problem with Bush was doing it all in secret, which leads to abuse," argues Smith.
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The above is bull. What Bush did in allowing "harsh techniques" ie waterboarding was done for extraordinary cases also. As far as keeping it secret, if you believe the Obama adm would be transparent and open about this if it ever happened, you're pretty gullible. Obama has shown nothing but rhetorical transparency. |
