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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices
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To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (482265)5/20/2009 11:04:27 AM
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The question remains Steve, and the implications don't change. Either there is a beginning or there is an on going eternity. We can look at the prevailing theories as you prefer or focus on one. But the presumptions don't change. If there is a beginning then you can't have something existing before that because that negates your idea of a beginning point. Scientists have resolved that to some extent for the big bang theory with the idea of singularity. If you reject an absolute beginning, then you move into the camp of eternalists. In either event the underlying presumption forces you to accept a world view that accommodates that presumption. If you would rather not think about it, if ignoring the sensibilities of the whole issue is preferable, then by all means do as most people do and ignore the question entirely and form a world view based on ignorance rather than what could inform you.

You can argue that singularity is something rather than nothing but you will get no where because singularity by definition is a state of no space no describable material and no time ... as is nothingness. Both are abstractions.

If your only goal is to poke fun at theists as people who's description of existence does not pan out when you apply the known laws of cosmology ok but that is a different discussion than the one I am having. You can dismiss such views as unsubstantiable by cosmological theory. That is a discussion to have with a religionist of some sort. The fact is cosmological theory dismisses itself at certain points and cosmologist simply say, ok well ignore that for now. I don't.

The same holds true for atheism which is "a belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearanged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs"... for no reason. I see no benefit in harping on that nonsense either. There are too many facts that allow me to see beyond it.

The fact is, the universe is here, it is thick with reason, purpose, cause and consequence. We are here witnessing it with an awareness and a conscience about how things are going. Like a 'do no harm' idea or a 'be well' goal, or a stand for this, that, or the other thing principle. These things are not nothing either but they defy any descriptive rule of cosmology. There is more to existence than bread and stone.
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