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Microcap & Penny Stocks : CCEE Breaking Out

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To: IncredibleHult who wrote (7451)	10/29/1997 12:19:00 PM
From: Rick	Read Replies (1) of 12454

>>>Rick, you can't manipulate a stock in the same way when it has 130 million shares out. I don't understand what you are suggesting? Do you honestly think this forum has that power? <<< Well Fred lets look at some different angles: 1. A lot of stock has been converted. The process usually involves "Investment Banking" services which do their work on a fee basis and they are sometimes themselves paid in stock. I have posted information here that discusses that aspect. We see that there are lots of enforcement actions where market makers manipulate prices and volumn. I don't know what is happening other than what I read here and in the 10-k/q's. They seem to show a pattern don't they? Have you looked at the dates when conversions can be made? Have you considered the holding periods and the subsequent rally's? And most important of all does not INGRID in almost every post tell you how the stock is in fact being manipulated but is being manipulated in a way that will fool the SEC? It's not nice to fool mother SEC it might cost YOU Money!!! 2. What ever the actuall power of this thread actually is or is not, really does not matter. What matters is the intent to affect the market price. I don't think it would have that much power either but perhaps someone does. There are certainly those who want to shut up anyone who has the power to articulate reasonable discussions of anything negative about this stock. WHY? In fact Fred a certain group which has been shown to lie in ambush, has taken it upon themselves to join with the only poster on this thread who has publically made a specticle of himself in his attempt with INGRID to lie to everyone and make you all believe that I am a disgruntled ex-employee. WHY? What do I know or say that is so scary? The comedy of the thing is Fred, I say very little I just post information and ask questions that I think you should ask. Even more scary to somebody Fred is I post sources to experts and suggest that you ask them. THAT WAY I CAN'T LIE TO YOU CAN I FRED? 3.Who or what entity is selling and needs to sell this stock in order to survive? Every time more stock is sold what happens to your position? Should you be concerned? Should you have perhaps months ago been allowed to at least see a discussion about shareholder proposals and proxy's which could have carried your message to the company? In fact we now have a Philidelphia lawyer who tells you that HE doesn't think this thread can affect the price but his public company clients and their exec.'s think such threads are very important. Timmey tells us and don't forget INGRID tells us that the boys in BOHEMIA read this thread. Do you ever see any of them posting here? Is there some law that keeps them posting here? If they are here FRED might it help you if someone like me was allowed to say some things that might articulate a disgruntled shareholders or a potential shareholders point of view?? 4.What is the golden egg laying goose for this company? It doesn't seem to be dbx does it? What have they sold the most of product or shares of stock? Now consider this Fred, do you remember what the newly arrived self proclaimed championship debater told you? The debating Philidelphia lawyer said the WORTH of the additional 150 MILLION SHARES that the company now wants to dump is 10 Million Dollars. WOW his analysis not mine. Why do I say his not mine? Because Fred, they are doing better than that they way they are feeding it out at 10-15 million shares at a time via "convertable debentures" remember what David Curry got blasted for saying the last time he posted? He pointed out 12 million shares hit the market. Want confirmation that he was right? Read the 10-Q. At the rate they are feeding little bites into the market the company could realize about 40-50 Million Dollars for those 150 MILLION SHARES. That sounds good on the surface doesn't it? Well I don't think it is for two shareholder related reasons. First they way they do it all it does is keep the doors open and the Exec. salaries continueing ad infinitum. Second somebody mighty close is making a killing and it isn't any of you shareholders. Who is it that is making this killing, Fred ? Isn't it those insiders who keep getting the chance to buy the debentures that convert and then mysteriously double or triple in value after the conversions to diluting shares of stock? Is all of this just coincidence? Perhaps it is. Perhaps it is not. Is it manipulation or coincidence? I think at this point in time it is prudent to start asking some HARD questions. QUESTIONS like some who prowl this thread want silenced. Questions that I propose you ask independent experts that cannot be accused of being a liar like me. Fred if all of the HARD questions come back with innocent explanations that is not bad either. No person, no management team, and no company can ever improve if they dont have the guts to ask HARD questions that may lead to some PAINFUL answers. ONLY BY IDENTIFYING what is wrong can anyone or any company set out to make corrections that result in improved results. IYADWYADYAGWYAG Do you know what that means?

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