Your strong suit is that you are a thinker and not an angry person. That is a big plus. I think you just do not understand me very well. So let me answer your thougth below bit by bit, so you can at least reject my "actual" ideas-lol. Not the ideas you think I hold.
But back to my point: It would appear that both of us have repudiated mindless religious tribal cliques (and their inherent discord, animosity, and threat to humanity) in favor of a rational understanding (evolution, etc.)
koan: good up to this point-lol.
>>--yet your social policy is need based (the Welfare State that you mentioned) and therefore essentially faith based and religious.<<
koan: Whoa, I have to stop you here: that is too big a leap in logic and nothing I have said takes you there. I am a hard core athiest existentialist. And as such, I can decide I want to live in a society that recognizes basic human decency. Nothing religous about it. Just my personal belief system. Nothing more.
>>Afterall, there are no objective grounds to persuade competent people to allow others to exploit and use them on the basis of "need". Evolution is about surviving. Evolution is OBJECTIVE!<<
koan: "Yes evolution is not only objective, but also cruel. And we humans are the first species able to rise above that. Once again, I do not believe in cruelty. My right to do so, as I am an existentialist.
>>True compassion is never forced. It is voluntary and based on evaluation and it doesn't matter whether that valuing is subjective or objective.>>
koan: the problem with the above is that you provide no context for your ideas. For millions of years tribes forced compassion on other members in order to keep the tribe strong and because many htought it was simply the right thing to do. One does not have to defend compassion.
>>So the fact that you clearly repudiate the subjective and transparent silliness of major religions is difficult to reconcile with the religious connotations of the "give away your cloak and your pants and your undershorts to the Welfare State"--(and the carrot that the priests have used to rob and steal the fatted calf for Thousands of years)--YOUR REWARD IS IN HEAVEN!!>.
My philosphy is that of a secular humanist. No heaven for me. I do what I do, because I feel it is the right thing to do. Just as I will feed a hungry animal or person, simply becasue I coudl see they were hungry. I do not need to explain that, or defend that action.
>.If majority rules is a fundamental value--aren't we really and truly flocked or flicked or something...???<<
koan: "Mahority rule, no other way to do it. Simple as that.
>>Finally, do you believe that allowing others to use you (or weaker or stronger...YOU having TRUE compassion for others)...will make a difference in any afterlife you may or may not envision?>.
I believe sentient beings in the universe recognize compassion as one of the rules of a truly developed and mature mind. |
