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Politics : A US National Health Care System?

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To: Lane3 who wrote (8851)8/30/2009 11:35:45 AM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) of 42652
 
You realize when a policy buyer agrees to terms, he is doing the "rationing" himself. IMO you are misusing rationing to refer to consumer choice. If I buy a cheaper car rather than one more expensive am I rationing myself? Or if I buy a store brand at the market thats cheaper than a name brand - is that rationing? It seems you think so, but if you wish to call it that its a form of rationing no one is concerned about. The rationing I care about is when an official (like Obama's panel thats "outside the normal political channels") makes the decision for you - telling you no, you can't have that, you're too old, we don't think your projected life is long enough to justify it for the good of society ....

I think its reasonable to compare Britain's government (as a proxy for what governments will do anywhere including here) vs American private insurance.

And I think it is not. There are too many uncontrolled variables for the comparison to be scientific.


We can't run a scientific experiment, we just have to live with the evidence we have. No reason to ignore the evidence offered by real-life examples of socialized systems. It would be silly to ignore it.

The key factor is competition. If we had single payer here I agree it would devolve into something similar to British single payer. But as long as there is competition, there is pressure on one to live up to the expectations of the other.

But under the plans being discussed there won't be competition much longer. See Fortune's analysis:

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Let's explore the five freedoms that Americans would lose under Obamacare:

1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan

The bills in both houses require that Americans purchase insurance through "qualified" plans offered by health-care "exchanges" that would be set up in each state. The rub is that the plans can't really compete based on what they offer. The reason: The federal government will impose a minimum list of benefits that each plan is required to offer.
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3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage

The bills threaten to eliminate the one part of the market truly driven by consumers spending their own money. That's what makes a market, and health care needs more of it, not less.

Hundreds of companies now offer Health Savings Accounts to about 5 million employees. Those workers deposit tax-free money in the accounts and get a matching contribution from their employer. They can use the funds to buy a high-deductible plan -- say for major medical costs over $12,000. Preventive care is reimbursed, but patients pay all other routine doctor visits and tests with their own money from the HSA account. As a result, HSA users are far more cost-conscious than customers who are reimbursed for the majority of their care.

The bills seriously endanger the trend toward consumer-driven care in general. By requiring minimum packages, they would prevent patients from choosing stripped-down plans that cover only major medical expenses. "The government could set extremely low deductibles that would eliminate HSAs," says John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis, a free-market research group. "And they could do it after the bills are passed."

4. Freedom to keep your existing plan

This is the freedom that the President keeps emphasizing. Yet the bills appear to say otherwise. It's worth diving into the weeds -- the territory where most pundits and politicians don't seem to have ventured.

The legislation divides the insured into two main groups, and those two groups are treated differently with respect to their current plans. The first are employees covered by the Employee Retirement Security Act of 1974. ERISA regulates companies that are self-insured, meaning they pay claims out of their cash flow, and don't have real insurance. Those are the GEs (GE, FORTUNE 500) and Time Warners (TWX, FORTUNE 500) and most other big companies.

The House bill states that employees covered by ERISA plans are "grandfathered." Under ERISA, the plans can do pretty much what they want -- they're exempt from standard packages and community rating and can reward employees for healthy lifestyles even in restrictive states.

But read on.

The bill gives ERISA employers a five-year grace period when they can keep offering plans free from the restrictions of the "qualified" policies offered on the exchanges. But after five years, they would have to offer only approved plans, with the myriad rules we've already discussed. So for Americans in large corporations, "keeping your own plan" has a strict deadline. In five years, like it or not, you'll get dumped into the exchange. As we'll see, it could happen a lot earlier.

The outlook is worse for the second group. It encompasses employees who aren't under ERISA but get actual insurance either on their own or through small businesses. After the legislation passes, all insurers that offer a wide range of plans to these employees will be forced to offer only "qualified" plans to new customers, via the exchanges.

The employees who got their coverage before the law goes into effect can keep their plans, but once again, there's a catch. If the plan changes in any way -- by altering co-pays, deductibles, or even switching coverage for this or that drug -- the employee must drop out and shop through the exchange. Since these plans generally change their policies every year, it's likely that millions of employees will lose their plans in 12 months.

5. Freedom to choose your doctors

The Senate bill requires that Americans buying through the exchanges -- and as we've seen, that will soon be most Americans -- must get their care through something called "medical home." Medical home is similar to an HMO. You're assigned a primary care doctor, and the doctor controls your access to specialists.
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You're the one who is assuming.

As you can see by the Fortune magazine analysis, its not just my assumption.

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