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Politics : A US National Health Care System?

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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (10045)	10/2/2009 10:17:06 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) of 42652

So now you admit that it is in there. "It"? I "admit" that there is/was language to encourage such meetings by adding them to the list of treatments that Medicare compensates. If you want to get more of something, you compensate it. But the "it" in question is whether granny is mandated to submit herself for such a meeting. That's what was claimed in the piece you posted and that's the lie. Please provide proof of your claim. Unfortunately for you charging someone with lying puts the burden of proof on you, not the other way around. You're asking me to prove a negative. That's unreasonable. I cannot go to the legislation and clip out language that isn't there. But I will offer this from the Post: "Though not mandatory, as some on the right have claimed, the consultations envisioned in Section 1233 aren't quite "purely voluntary," as Rep. Sander M. Levin (D-Mich.) asserts. To me, "purely voluntary" means "not unless the patient requests one." Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that's an incentive to insist. Patients may refuse without penalty, but many will bow to white-coated authority." washingtonpost.com So, "a section of the House bill mandating that a senior citizen must go to counseling every five years with a government “medical expert” in order to basically learn how to prepare to die" is not true. The claim demonstrates either a shortfall in critical thinking or intentional deceptiveness. Obama wants to make a mandatory Civilian Corps modeled after Hitler's famous Brown Shirts. So, yes I can. You may be able to imagine that appearing in some lefty wet dream or some righty nightmare but it's not in House bill, which is what was claimed and what I challenged.

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