You find the fact that he associates with some folks with whom you differ strongly to be sufficient evidence that he is a radical. I don't.
If it were some it would not bother me. I have a friend who believes virtually everything he reads in the Guardian. Obama has very few associates that are not radicals. He is an admitted follower of Allinsky. I am sorry but my assessment is a reality based assessment.
people commonly associate with other people for reasons other than their ideas.
I know that well too. One of my father's best friends is ideologically opposite him. They agree not to discuss the things they don't agree on.
This does not negate the fact that Obama is a radical. His interview with the SF Chronical on January 17, 2008 is evidence of that:
...whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
It is sad that you don't get it. It is not my responsibility to make you understand. You may choose to misperceive my position, and I expect you to.
"You and I are his enemies. If you wish to be last to lose your freedoms you will be just as enslaved at the end of the day."
Again, an unsupportable conclusion. I don't understand that people like Obama are acting on behalf of the Devil ERGO I will lose my freedoms.
Taking people out of context is very disrespectful. I expect better from you.
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Michelle has quoted from Alinsky's Rule For Radicals.
Michelle Obama has quoted lines from Saul Alinsky's radical manifesto called Rules for Radicals. She said, "'Barack stood up that day,' talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, 'and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..." And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won't do -- that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.'" Here's an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals: 'The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive -- but real -- allies of the Haves... The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be.'"
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From the Washington Post:
For Clinton and Obama, a Common Ideological Touchstone
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CHICAGO -- The job offer to "Miss Hillary Rodham, Wellesley College" was dated Oct. 25, 1968, and signed by Saul D. Alinsky, ...
Seventeen years later, another young honor student was offered a job as an organizer in Chicago. By then, Alinsky had died, but a group of his disciples hired Barack Obama, a 23-year-old Columbia University graduate, to organize black residents on the South Side, while learning and applying Alinsky's philosophy of street-level democracy.
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Both Obama and Clinton admired Alinsky's appeal for small-d democracy but came to believe that social progress is best achieved by working within the political system, and on a national scale.
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Obama's Mentor and the Radicalism He Backed
Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:37 PM
By: Richard Poe Article Font Size
Barack Obama is the first U.S. president trained in the belief system of radical organizer Saul Alinsky. More than ever, Americans need to study Alinsky’s beliefs.
Information is scarce. Most writing on Alinsky is agitprop, cranked out by loyal disciples planted in the media. Sanford D. Horwitt’s Alinsky biography, “Let Them Call Me Rebel,” is no exception. It seeks to whitewash the father of “community organizing”
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The Obama Connection
Ironically, Obama’s name does not appear in the book. When it came out in 1989, Obama was still an obscure community organizer, working for the Alinsky network in Chicago.
The Alinsky network is an “organization of organizations,” to use Alinsky’s phrase. It is a vast and ever-expanding web of activist groups and foundations, continually spawning new groups – some permanent, some temporary – all designated by an alphabet soup of shape-shifting acronyms. What these groups have in common is that they were founded by Alinsky disciples and employ the Alinsky method of community organizing.
Beginning in 1985, Obama worked for many such groups, including the Gamaliel Foundation, the Midwest Academy, ACORN and Project VOTE.
Obama received training from Alinsky’s flagship school for organizers, the Industrial Areas Foundation. Later, Obama became a trainer himself, teaching workshops on the Alinsky method.
Obama never met Alinsky, who died in 1972. However, our president was trained by organizers who had worked directly with the master.
“Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness,” wrote Lee David Alinsky – son of the master organizer -- in a letter to the Boston Globe, following Obama’s nomination for president. “[T]he method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.”
The Amoral Alinsky
Alinsky was born in Chicago in 1909, the son of Russian Jewish immigrants. He rejected religion at an early age. Throughout his life, he preached that good and evil were illusions, and that only power mattered.
“Somebody once asked me whether I believe in reconciliation,” Alinsky used to tell his followers. “Sure I do. When one side gets the power and the other side gets reconciled to it, then we’ll have reconciliation.”
For Alinsky, compromise was just a trick, a way to get your enemy off guard while you plotted your next attack. “If you start with nothing, demand 100 percent, then compromise for 30 percent, you’re 30 percent ahead,” he wrote.
Alinsky pursued power for the sake of power. He demanded that his young trainees do likewise. Idealists enraged him.
“He felt very strongly that if you are a do-gooder, you’re never going to make it [as a community organizer],” recalls a young Presbyterian minister who underwent Alinsky training in 1956.
The same minister relates that there was “one guy on our staff whom Saul couldn’t stand, whom he treated viciously … a young, black fellow from the Church of God.” This hapless recruit “believed that he was called to do good, to love the Lord and spread the gospel. Saul pulled all his defenses from under him and exposed him, and he couldn’t take it. He just collapsed under it.”
Do-gooders nonetheless flocked to Alinsky, driven by masochism. They saw Alinsky as a spiritual teacher, who would humiliate them for their own good.
Christians were easy marks for Alinsky’s con. He perfected the art of manipulating Christian guilt, seducing entire churches to his cause.
Hillary Clinton was thus seduced. She met Alinsky through a radical youth group, run by her Methodist church. Later, she interviewed Alinsky for her senior thesis in college -- a 75-page analysis of Alinsky’s organizing methods. She turned down a job offer from Alinsky, since she was headed for Yale Law School, but remained friends with him until his death in 1972.
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When even the son of the man who believed in desception praises Obama for learning the lessons well even you have to admit Obama is a disciple of Alinsky. |
