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To: LLCF who wrote (81702)	11/13/2009 10:47:00 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) of 82486

<I would call that supporting abortion on demand for any reason.> "I call it letting the ONLY person intimate with the situation decide.. it's not "supporting abortion"... I'm not telling her to do ANYTHING. I see that YOU ARE, we differ there." I call that begging the question as to how many individual Human beings are involved in an abortion. Unless you are also willing to leave the decision to kill a toddler "up to the mother"; you are just avoiding and dishonestly framing the issue to relieve yourself of the moral obligation to stand up for those who are unable to defend themselves. "That's a fine stance... so is mine." That's the debate isn't it? Permitting the killing of an unborn child at any stage of the pregnancy for the sake of convenience is not a fine stance: it is morally reprehensible. "In fact WOMEN IN GENERAL (compared to men) ARE MUCH MORE ABLE to understand the whole issue." Patronizing nonsense! "But clearly that angle of discussion points towards 'more personhood' as developement proceeds." <I don't believe in a sliding scale of person hood. A toddler is no less a person than an adult and a poor, uneducated Black man is no less a person than a rich, Asian with a PHD (or vise versa). "Of course, neither do I. But none of those cases COMES CLOSE to the "relationship" of fertilized egg and mother... as anyone can see." What anyone can see is that you do in fact believe that some Human beings are not persons as you define it and are therefore allowed to be killed. Same argument that was used to keep Slaves and oppress Women. All the scientific evidence shows that the unborn child is a fully Human and distinct entity. "the womans body routinely halts developement quite often early on... and less so later on. You imply murder... I imply a natural course of things... the woman senses something wrong and decides to "wait till next time" for whatever reason." We are talking about elective abortion on demand for any reason at any stage of the pregnancy. I'm hardly shocked to see you trying to weasel out of discussing the actual issue by blatantly lying about my position. I do not hold that a spontaneous abortion (which is a natural process) is murder (the intentional taking of innocent life) and you know that.

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