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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread

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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (26068)12/1/2009 11:11:17 AM
From: Maurice Winn2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) of 36917
 
Other than in fraudulent and criminal activities, I'm unaware of companies needing to be adjusted back to responsibility.

<It's a fine line and balancing act in America between creating an atmosphere in which corporations flourish and also one in which they behave responsibly. Sometimes the balance gets out of kilter and we have to readjust it. >

It is currently fashionable to say that financial institutions were irresponsible and need more regulations and government departments to supervise them, but Alan Greenspan KBE was right that shareholders are the people to ensure that their company is not losing their money by taking on a lot of risk without compensating reward.

He made a tongue in cheek admission that he was wrong to think that shareholders would look after their own interests. People don't read or think so they are under the mistaken impression that he said he got it all wrong and thereby caused the current financial catastrophe.

A greater mistake is the one people make in thinking democracy results in people acting in a sensible way. Alan Greenspan was far more correct than are democracy promoters. Democracy is a process of voting to take money from other people for one's own gain and to boss other people around. Alan Greenspan's idea was that shareholders would vote to look after their own money which is a far more reasonable proposition.

Will we see a revolution away from democracy now that the mistake of assuming self-interest will make things better has been exposed as false? Of course not. People like to say how ridiculous Greenspan was but then they themselves believe a far more ridiculous idea and vote accordingly. His idea was reasonable and generally correct.

Those irresponsible shareholders who ruin their companies have themselves to blame. It's odd that the electorate votes to transfer money from taxpayers to the money-losing bank shareholders and to creditors of the bankrupt banks.

When looking around for irresponsibility, I see it by the mega$billion and now the $trillion and even $quadrillion in governments. Governments are where you'll find wall to wall irresponsibility.

Businesses have no choice but to be responsible, or they'll go broke.

Do you have a few examples of what you mean? Of course environmental laws are required to protect the commons and allocate scarce resources to avoid tragedy of the commons situations, but that's a given. I suppose you mean in CO2 emissions since this is the environmental department. Without adjustment to an acceptable level of CO2 output, companies will of course produce all the CO2 into the atmosphere that they like. Same for CFCs and sulphur oxides. They required regulation. CO2 might do but so far the amount is a good thing, not a bad thing. Perhaps in 50 years, CO2 levels will be getting too high, but 500 ppm seems reasonable given historical levels.

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