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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction

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To: Oeconomicus who wrote (77728)	2/19/2010 12:12:23 PM
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Oec, you make some very valid points. And for the most part I agree. Keep in mind though that I'm not trying to paint teachers, "as a group, generally overpaid slackers". Not at all. As you noted, many teachers are dedicated & involved in giving their students a solid education. I concur. My disagreement is that oft repeated meme that teachers are underpaid & overworked, no more, no less. Not only has it been rammed down our throats for decades by teachers unions & all manner of media, I had to hear it constantly from them when I was on site. Based on what I saw repeatedly was a vast majority of them were doing everything from the bare minimum to seriously trying to be top notch teachers. Still they were not coming close to being overworked. I cannot think of ever going to a school & not seeing the same thing I saw everywhere else. No matter how you slice it, even the most dedicated teacher who works their ass off at school, regularly works at home & gets involved with students & parents outside of normal school hours, they still do not work more than the average Joe who has a full time job. And most of them make far more than Joe does. As far as pay goes, public schools teaching salaries are well above any claim of being underpaid, although as you correctly pointed out inappropriate pay scales. That does mean many entry level teachers without advanced degrees will receive only modest salaries initially. They may be treated unfairly based on the bad policy, so compared to their teaching peers those salaries are out of whack. But they are not underpaid based on the average salaries in the areas where they teach. My gripe with them is having to listen to teachers complain about the overworked, underpaid meme while I'm there putting 60-70 hours a week & they're putting in their 25-28 hour work week. Plus these same teachers were making $10-$20+ K more than I made. Meanwhile I had to bust my ass to earn an accounting degree. I saw first hand what my wife & sister had to take at Penn State to earn their liberal arts degree. And let me tell you it was a joke compared to my business degree. Having to go through that over & over caused me to lose any sympathy for them.

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