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From: TimF3/5/2010 6:00:37 PM
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Ryan W. 1 week ago in reply to Stuttering Ginger

First, if everyone is forced to buy health insurance, that's not necessarily a boon for the poor. If mandates increase the cost of coverage, that can lead to more un-insured. Etc.

Some people get so confused when they have to pay for government ordered mandates and similar. "Something for nothing" is the oldest lie on the books. Which is probably in part why talking more about HCR decreases its popularity. People become increasingly aware they're unlikely to get free ponies, courtesy of "the rich."

Whenever I hear upper income people tell lower-middle class people to vote against health care, I think of management telling their workers not to unionize because, well, unions are all evil and communist. That seems weak.

I think of GM, myself.

Of course, the difference between health care and theunionization example is that HCR is about what the government mandates and not about freedom of association.

The basic notion behind your example seems to be; "if it's legal, it's also moral." That kind of worldview tends to lack a baseline standard when it comes to right or wrong. It asks whether a politician raised or lowered taxes or services, but not what standards for a fair tax rate or gov't provided services might be. And it tends to facilitate people getting suckered.

And hey, if GM workers want to unionize, they have that right. It makes sense, given that their skills aren't that transferable. If management wants to fire workers for any reason, they should also have that right. And don't expect me to view support for unions as some kind of moral cause. It's just one more group of people trying to milk a monopoly, to the detriment of both the owners of GM and also those who had to pay inflated prices for the cars.

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