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To: one_less who wrote (571686)	6/15/2010 11:05:27 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (5) of 1577928

>>There are religious myths that have been dispelled based on gathering and sharing of evidence about how the world works. Much of religion is allegorical and so finding practical explanations through scientific revelation rarely completely dispels such notions. One of the purposes of religion is to provide a principled guide to live by and as you track the principle, the predictions, and the actual consequences, by golly it turns out religions agree and predict with accuracy what will happen if you don't live your life according to principles of decency. The record of our history is replete with the factual evidence supporting the common guidelines provided in world religions. It reasonable and logical to conclude religions are providing sound and sensible principled guide lines to live by.>> Religion had to become allegorical when science proved the pervasive factual mistakes in the bible e.g. the earth is 3 billion years old not 6,000 years old. As Jospth Campbell said: a good reading of the bible will find the morality and ethics people refer is simply not there. It is a book where brothers sell their sisters into prostitution and brothers kill each other, etc. Ancient Greece was much more sophisticated regardiong morality and discoverd democracy and they were bascially athiests. >>And all scientists are trained to go where the facts lead them. The facts lead to evolution. Period. who would argue with that? No one that I know argues with that, even though I've often seen you claim that religious people do. Not with where the facts lead at least. The facts demonstrate the function of adaptation and survival. It is observable in nature and replicable under controlled circumstance. There is no argument although there may be some encamped extreme nutcases who refuse to even consider it, it isn't fair to the majority of religious people to lay that on them.>> koan: "Polls show the vast majority of Republicans do not believe in evolution (I can post one or two). The vast majority of liberals do believe in evolution. And the vast majority of scientists believe in evolution and think people who do not belive in volution are uneduated, so there is part of the reason 80% of scientists lean democratic (who are mostly liberal); and more scientists are liberal than are conservative and moderate combined. >>Origins is another matter. You cannot get to what we have now without some common elements that persist throughout what we call 'time,' including consciousness and awareness of being. Glad to discuss that any time you want but it is beyond the scope of physical or even temporal science. I can accept the limitations of knowing things available only by scientific method and I can accept the limitations of knowing things only by thinking about principles of consciousness, and meaningfulness beyond the surface appearances of a temporal universe. We live in a universe of limitations, that is a fact. I cannot accept limiting my own ability to know things by denying either source of knowledge altogether either out of loyalty to one or to the other. I don't believe in forced choices.>> I know of no scientific limitations you speak of.

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