AOL part two
Subject: Dbii news
Date: Thu, Nov 6, 1997 15:53 EST
From: Psam 057
Message-id: <19971106205301.PAA25913@ladder02.news.aol.com>
DBII's news today doesn't sit well with me. NEC and IDX is the team. Must be something rubbing someone wrong for NEC to contract with DBII. This opens up a number of unpleasant possibilities. What ever the rub I hope someone puts some ointment on the pain.
Glad to see DBII getting a contract, like to see all the Biometric outfits getting business. Just not through NEC. Business creates business, and would love to see all of them go.
IDX is dragging, and if it doesn't improve with this quarter, think I will believe the smart money and move on. Love IDX and what it could do, but been around long enough to know never let love get between me and my money. Slightly afraid my love may of kept me here too long now.
Long IDX, crossing fingers.....and toes!!!!!!!!!!!
ubject: Re: Hooray...Hooray per Rajun
Date: Thu, Nov 6, 1997 16:30 EST
From: Rudybill
Message-id: <19971106213001.QAA29300@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Did anyone else notice that Rajun R's posting earlier today directed at me was signed by OSTRICH/PORSCHE/GEO-770? I guess his pup-tent got a little chilly today? A 1970-GEO may be too upscale for this fugitive!!! I guess my challenge drove him out to the open!!!
Hey,Bub, do OSTRICHES like campfire marshmallows??? What a wimp you are!!!
O/P, you and J. Saf & B. Greene and other drummers here and on SI are stock-jobbers you know! Scalawags and Carpetbaggers. The prob is you probably don't have two nickels to rub. I am glad, tho, that AOL& MotFool keep files of mess board postings for a long long time.
Adieu. Sweetest Dreams.....
B
Subject: Re: Where is the good news
Date: Thu, Nov 6, 1997 22:16 EST
From: Mbenz59869
Message-id: <19971107031600.WAA05571@ladder02.news.aol.com>
I am tired of all the BS hype on this and the SI board. The misinformation which comes from these boards is creating a credibility problem for investors. In all reality, you could cover everything that the company has told us in the last six months with twenty posts. If a guy leaves a fingerprint on a beer glass in El Paso, the board posters see a multi-million dollar opportunity in it. GET REAL!
It's about time for IDX to set up a good IR program. People need something to talk about that has substance. The shorts have run IDX's stock for the last year and a half. Until Randy Fowler takes the power back, IDX is dead money IMO.
Subject: Re: Logged off at home only....Porsche770
Date: Fri, Nov 7, 1997 06:04 EST
From: JBaker1636
Message-id: <19971107110401.GAA03591@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Hey Porsche770, you know that you can sign on someone elses account as GUEST in the sign on window and then your posts will come out under your own screen name. Many readers on the board will read Porsche messages but skip many others.
Jim
Subject: Re: Logged off at home only....Porsche770
Date: Fri, Nov 7, 1997 14:22 EST
From: Rajun R
Message-id: <19971107192200.OAA03567@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks Jim.....I will do so next session.
Porsche770
Subject: Re: Logged off at home only....Porsche770
Date: Fri, Nov 7, 1997 14:23 EST
From: Rajun R
Message-id: <19971107192300.OAA03543@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Do not be a chicken little.....the sky is not falling.....IDX or the market.
Porsche770
Subject: Re: Delta's ready when Rudy is.......
Date: Fri, Nov 7, 1997 14:20 EST
From: Rajun R
Message-id: <19971107192000.OAA03437@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Rudy,
You sound pretty tough.......anytime you would like to meet in person and discuss your shortcomings (pun intended)......I will be happy to comply.
Delta's ready when you are...I 'll pay for the flight.....lets see how tough you are with no keyboard to hide behind.
Porsche770
Subject: Re: Delta's ready when Rudy is.......
Date: Fri, Nov 7, 1997 16:48 EST
From: Psam 057
Message-id: <19971107214800.QAA16039@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Hey fellows, you make me think of a school yard. It's natural to hype a stock you like. If you don't like the stock, then move on. This bit of meeting behind the outhouse is demeaning to you, this board, and IDX. Enough said.
I've enjoyed reading all the post, good or bad, hype or slam. The market has the bears in control, if it be but a day, a week, or a month. Bulls win in the long run. Nothing goes straight up, but the market does rise over time.
Still worried about that DBII thing until more information is forthcoming.
Long IDX but fingers and toes crossed.
Subject: Bring it on your short slugs! We are ready!
Date: Fri, Nov 7, 1997 21:00 EST
From: IDX4EVER
Message-id: <19971108020000.VAA10756@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Rudybill, Brutusone, MBenz59867, Ndtoto2 -
I will agree with you that IDX has been dead money for quite a while and you shorts have had their time in the sunlight for far too long. I am sure Mr. Kessler would rather have picked Identix for his 1998 pick of the year instead of 1997. Randy has concentrated on building a biometric ID juggernaut at the expense of short-term profits. Identix has had growing pains while moving from a Blue Sky company to a money maker. Some of the guys on the NRID
thread at SI still think that NRID is better than IDX because IDX's P/E is so high. (BTW the trailing P/E is now 150ish, not 200.) IMHO most, if not all, of the pieces are finally in place and Identix can finally settle down and send the increasing revenues to the bottom line as they take advantage of the expanding biometric market.
It may seem that Porsche770, Brad Greene and my self are IDX cheerleaders, but we back up our opinions with solid facts and links to websites supporting our opinion. Everytime things slow down you guys crawl out from under a rock and start asking "what have you done for me today?" Is it a coincidence that all you slugs crawled out and posted on the same day? What is your basis
for claiming that IDX is in trouble, other than the stagnant stock price and lack of information on the Sylvan deal? You can complain that IDX is not disclosing company trade secrets or blow things like the lawsuit out of proportion, but you can't change the fact that IDX's competitiors are going broke and IDX is increasing revenues at a healthy pace.
Lay out your case, not your opinion, and let's get it on! No cheering just toe to toe fisticuffs.
Subject: TAX LOSS SELLING OF IDX?
Date: Fri, Nov 7, 1997 21:48 EST
From: Brutusone
Message-id: <19971108024800.VAA15320@ladder01.news.aol.com>
OH yes, anything thats not up this year is a candidate..........get ready......
Subject: Re: Bring it on your short slugs! We are ready!
Date: Sat, Nov 8, 1997 00:48 EST
From: Mbenz59869
Message-id: <19971108054800.AAA02988@ladder02.news.aol.com>
IDX orwhatever
Sure, I have a problem with the way these boards are hyping IDX and I am a short slug. I don't know Brutusone or any of the other people on this board. I wish that I would have been short IDX over the last year and a half as I would have been much more wealthy right now.
Speaking of shorts, I am becoming somewhat suspicious of the SI group who post all day long. Do you guys work like the rest of us? What is your motivation for spending your whole day doing this? Where do you and the rest of your group get your so called information? I don't have a problem with links that you post. I do have a problem with claims of 1.00/share earnings (this year?) and 100 to 200 dollar stock prices - or the technical
experts on the board who call for the stock to be X dollars by Friday etc. This type of behavior is hype - period.
As far as going toe to toe with you, don't think so. But your offer does tell the rest of us something about you. As I recall, you were the person who offended the aliens on the SI board not long ago. That told me a great deal about you.
Stop hyping the stock and I'll go back to lurking. Otherwise, you're going to get to know me even better. I have friends who have bought into your hype and have been financially hurt. IDX's stock has been far from a glory story over the last year or two considering the lawsuits and the shortsellers constant action. IDX has great potential, but people do need to hear the other side of the story - not just your views.
Subject: mbenz, other story???
Date: Sat, Nov 8, 1997 08:28 EST
From: MD1554
Message-id: <19971108132801.IAA21641@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<<...IDX's stock has been far from a glory story over the last year or two considering the lawsuits and the shortsellers constant action. IDX has great potential, but people do need to hear the other side of the story - not just your views.>>>
mbenz,
I am heavily invested in IDX and very objective. Iwould appreciate you explaining to me what the other side of the story is? Is IDX's products and software slipping? Is their salesforce slipping? Is their revenue not growing at 50% per qtr for the last 2 years? Wasn't IDX close to the top on the list of fastest growing technology companies in the world?
Do you remember Oracle in the early 90's almost bankrup?
Time is a funny thing, wouldn't you agree? Holding onto any stock is an impossible task for most people....and shorts know this. I for one have no problem holding a stock. I am 40 and have been investing since mid 20's, and I know first hand that holding onto companies you believe in is crucial. I missed out on some great growth because of my lack of patience. I am not a hypster but, IMO, Identix is without a doubt in the next wave of technology
companies to emerge and investors will have to hold onto their stock through some VERY tuff times to see the rewards.
I agree there is a lot of hype...especially by Brad Green on the SI board, but that will happen when people get excited about their investments. I for one take that hype with a grain of salt.
I would really like to know why you think IDX is not a sound company with some critical technology that companies like NEC, LM and ORCL need (and are using) today.
Thanks in advance.
MD1554
Subject: help needed
Date: Sat, Nov 8, 1997 09:07 EST
From: MAMAS12
Message-id: <19971108140701.JAA23815@ladder01.news.aol.com>
knowledge-wasted on this board needs to be useful
example idx 1986-shares bought & sold
1987 to 1991-bought
1992-bought&sold
have sold & bought from $4.00 to $16.00
declared dividend selling & buying from minus 8 to plus 12, past two years
double numbers%
retained 75% of core holding from maximum
300% plus gain
1987 strongly beleived IDX, would explode,1998,99,90,91
LIGHT AT THE END OF TUNNEL,
not intended to claim to fame,example of being lucky
convinced more profits,because of weak competion,and expanding markets
NON-BELIEVERS have growth stocks, WOULD YOU PLEASE SHARE
thanks,
othee
Subject: Re: mbenz, other story???
Date: Sat, Nov 8, 1997 10:11 EST
From: Mbenz59869
Message-id: <19971108151100.KAA28397@ladder01.news.aol.com>
MD
I do think that IDX is a good company with a great future IF the company is able to execute viable business plans. As far as the stockholders are concerned, we are not IMO going to do well if the company does not do a better job of communicating with the investor. The lack of communication sets up a situation where hypsters can trash the stock with misinformation. There are people out there that are making HUGE money month after month selling
calls. They appear to be very accomplished in doing this. IMO, Westergaard and A&C are not cutting the mustard with regard to IR, but then, are they receiving any information from IDX? IDX could start by finishing their website and spiffin' up their image a bit.
IF IDX has communication problems with the investor, do they also have communication problems with their clients? This inquiring mind wants to know.
Subject: IDX TA Nov 7
Date: Sat, Nov 8, 1997 11:44 EST
From: Ztrade
Message-id: <19971108164400.LAA06714@ladder01.news.aol.com>
IDX marketplace assessment 11/07/97
( last TA post Oct 31 )
near-term rank = average
max/min trading channel trendlines
+ 2wk + 4wk + 6wk
13.1 13.5 13.8 [ potential price highs ]
10.5 10.8 11.1 [ potential price lows ]
closing price 9.69
resistance level 10.3
note:recovery to 10.3 area likely
buying pressure = average
selling pressure = above average
investors = undecided
traders = undecided
intra-day market mood neutral
Some trader profit taking and some nervous investors but
the near-term technical picture remains positive, at least for now.
For risk tolerant traders, this may be a good speculative buy point.
V.R. , Z source: Share Smart
Only read further if you wish to better understand this TA
Statement of fact
Every stock price changes over time, but never in a straight line.
Therefore, TA predicts where price is likely to move with trendlines.
Near-term price trend
Near-term price behavior is predicted by a near-term trend
If this trend is bearish, the associated trendline has negative slope
and projects a line for potential highs, each lower than the last.
This trendline predicts a time-dependent resistance area (significant).
If this trend is bullish, the associated trendline has positive slope
and projects a line for potential lows, each higher than the last.
This trendline predicts a time-dependent support area (significant).
Intermediate price trend
As price moves within a near-term trading channel, there will many
intermediate rallys and declines superimposed on this movement.
Each intermediate move is described with it's own trendline.
If this trendline is negative (decline),
it represents an intermediate resistance level.
If it is positive (rally),
it represents an intermediate support level.
Support and resistance levels are considered weaker, shorter-lived and
less dependable than support and resistance areas.
Intermediate price swings are better suited to nimble traders than investors
for trading purposes. However, sometimes an intermediate move develops
strength and the TA may detect and signal a near-term bottom or top has
formed. When this happens, a new price behavior prediction (trading channel)
is generated indicating a new near-term trading pattern has developed.
Trading channel
Price never moves in a straight line. Significant rallys and declines
which we call price swings occur. Therefore, near-term price behavior
is predicted by a trading channel defined by upper and lower trendlines.
Upper and lower trendlines represent indicate where resistance/support
areas are predicted to exist.
If the trading channel is bearish (declining highs), the upper trendline is
the most significant indicator of potential resistance to higher prices.
The lower trendline shows where some resistance to declining
prices may be expected to develop (bargain hunting/bottom fishing).
If the trading channel is bullish (rising lows), the lower trendline is
the most significant indicator of potential resistance to lower prices.
The upper trendline shows where some resistance to rising prices may
be expected to develop (profit taking/consolidation).
While the actual price may stay well within the near-term trading channel,
the spread or width of this channel gives you an indication of the potential
for price swings, or in other words volatility, over the near-term.
Remember, these are trendlines, not brick walls. Price will sometimes rise
above the the upper or fall below the lower. This is often means that the
stock is either temporarilly overvalued or undervalued in the marketplace.
However, if a breakout to the upside or a breakdown to the low side is detected, predicted near-term price behavior and trading channel will change accordingly.
You will see an abrupt change in the TA. This is the first indication that the stock
has made a either a top or a bottom and you can change investment strategy accordingly.
The above is a condensed explanation of info contained in these TA posts.
Hope it helps you interpret and understand the data better.
v.r., Z
Subject: Re: mbenz, other story???
Date: Sat, Nov 8, 1997 11:48 EST
From: Dawala
Message-id: <19971108164901.LAA06909@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Mbenz59869,
What do you mean IDX should finish their website. What's wrong with it...explain please.
It is finished and has been for quite awhile. Identix Incorporated
DAWALA
Subject: Re: Bring it on your short slugs! We are ready!
Date: Sat, Nov 8, 1997 12:14 EST
From: NdTOTO2
Message-id: <19971108171401.MAA09487@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Oh yeah, it's a conspiracy! We all E-mail around to say "Lets Get 'Em".
Sorry but I don't know these people & don't care to. I'm just an investor who is sick of your hype.
Also I've noticed that you have recently only crawled out to attack the concerned, disgruntled, & questioning posters. You didn't seem too concerned about challenging the incorrect posts that have been on the board recently. Such as the fellow who thought that the class action suit had been thrown as frivolous. Wrong! In fact from what I've read on that, IDX had better be able to prove that Mark Furman planted all the evidence!
Or the people who believed that the NEC Indiana deal was IDX's, not DBI's. And if memory serves, I remember there was a former poster who was driven off the board as a liar when he said that IDX did not have an exclusive agreement with NEC. Well, given recent events, who has been shown to be the liar? (Although, I think probably an unwitting one).
It would be nice if this board was more balanced. But the hypsters want it as theirs alone. Reality checkers please don't go away.
I wish that when someone has a question or concern, it would be answered truthfully regardless of whether the answer is positive or negative. By those who have that information.
Believe me, your silence on my lawsuit question spoke volumes. I for one will not be buying more IDX until these matters are resolved. |
