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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: one_less who wrote (584848)9/9/2010 7:30:16 PM
From: Brumar892 Recommendations  Read Replies (4) of 1577194
 
Thing is all the stuff in the Prophet of Doom book was selected from Muslim hadiths. Nowhere else.

For example you describe him taking the widow of a beaten enemy as his wife so he could rape her. But the Islamic description of that circumstance is far different. I've heard it said that Mohammad sought to set an example of compassion with each of his marriages.

Okay, you've acknowledged the incident I described happened and our knowledge of it comes from Islamic sources themselves. Now I ask:

What kind of compassion involves "marrying" a woman just after you've cut the heads off her father and all her male relatives?
Is it really possible to put a good spin on that?

Consider other passages dealing with Mohammed's character:

Ishaq:288 "Allah divided the booty stolen from the first caravan after he made spoils permissible. He gave four-fifths to those He had allowed to take it and one-fifth to His Apostle."

and

Ishaq:289 "Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, 'This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey."

and

Tabari VII:29 "Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah’s Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty."

and

Tabari VIII:122Ishaq:515

"Abi Huqayq held the treasure of the Nadir. He was brought to Allah's Messenger, and he questioned him. But Huqayq denied knowing where it was. So the Prophet questioned other Jews. One said, 'I have seen Kinanah walk around a ruin.' Muhammad had Kinanah brought to him and said, 'Do you know that if we find it, I shall kill you.' 'Yes,' Kinanah answered. The Prophet commanded that the ruin should be dug up. Some treasure was extracted. Then Muhammad asked Kinanah for the rest. He refused to surrender it; so Allah's Messenger gave orders concerning him to Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."

Who were Tabari and Ishaq who told us that Mohammed was a ruthless bandit leader?

Mu?ammad ibn Is?aq ibn Yasar (Arabic: ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????, or simply Ibn Is?aq ??? ?????, meaning "the son of Isaac") (died 767, or 761 (Robinson 2003, p. xv)) was an Arab Muslim historian and hagiographer. He collected oral traditions that formed the basis of the first biography of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. This biography is usually called Sirat Rasul Allah ("Life of God's Messenger").

Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (Persian: ???? ?? ???? ????; Mu?ammad b.Garir a?-?abari, Arabic: ??? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???????; Abu Ga?far Mu?ammad b.Garir b.Yazid a?-?abari) (838–923) 224 - 310H, was one of the earliest, most prominent and famous Persian[1][2][3][4][5] historian and exegete of the Qur'an,who wrote exclusively in Arabic ,[2][6] most famous for his (????? ????? ???????) Tarikh al-Umam wa al-Mulook, or abbreviated as: "Tarikh al-Tabari" and Tafsir al-Tabari.

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I'm sorry to have to deal with this. I don't want to pick on you but , how is it possible to spin this stuff as a positive act? Can a bandit leader, a thief, torturer, raper, slaver, beheader really be the greatest prophet of God?

Is it hard to believe that a person who reads this, takes it to heart instead of rejecting it, might come to believe that shedding blood and sowing terror is a righteous act?
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