"Isn't Jesus considered a Muslim prophet? And since Mohammed is considered the greatest prophet, he would be a lesser one?
No. Neither of those sentences is accurate. Approximately one third of the Quran is devoted to reverence for Jesus and to his mother Mary, from the virgin birth to the miracles he performed throughout his life, but mostly to the message from God which he carried. The hierarchy you mention does not exist or even make sense except in the sport type of argument you present where you are trying to champion your guy to be the winner by defeating the other guy, which doesn't exist at all in Islam.
If Jesus isn't a Muslim prophet, what is he to Muslims?
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"Sorry, but trying to be factual about Mohammed is not the same as persecuting people (in this case Muslims) out of a spirit of hatred."
Try again. Your stated agenda is to look for ways to prove Mohammad is a criminal and evil.
I don't have to prove it. The Islamic siras and hadiths say it. All I'm doing is refusing to accept rationalizations that Mohammed had a good reason to cut off all those people's heads, had a good reason to take a beautiful young woman to his bed after he'd killed her family, had a good and holy reason to have a man tortured to death over hidden treasure, etc etc .....
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"Loyalty to a family faith that seeks for comforting rationalizations." ... And your way is by demonizing someone beloved by billions because that's loyalty to Jesus.
Again, the demonization is there in the Islamic siras and hadiths. All I'm doing is refusing to accept the rationalizing away of that material. And I'm motivated by loyalty to truth, in this case. Notice I don't believe in Buddha, but am not relating any negative material about him .... cause as far as I know there isn't any. Buddha didn't send his followers out to rob caravans or cut off heads.
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It's like you've become intoxicated with this hate for Mohammad.
Although I consider him a villain for certain. He's a little removed from me so I can't summon any hatred for him. Sort of like Tamerlane or Attilla the Hun. I am only saddened that so many are blinded to the true nature of a false prophet.
And I do resent the implication that I'm a bigot if I refuse to go along with the rationalization of this man's actions.
You say my soul will be damaged, my grandchildren will disapprove of me, because I believe the negative things about Mohammed that are described in Islamic siras and hadiths? I don't think so. I think pretending to believe something I believe not to be true for the sake of peaceful feelings would be harmful.
I'm a hater and bigot because I don't accept that Mohammed had good reason to cut off hundreds of peoples heads and had good reason to marry a beautiful young woman whose family he'd just slaughtered ..... as described in Islamic siras and hadiths?
Though you charge me with hating Muslims, I truthfully don't. I have nothing negative at all to say about the normal decent nice people I know who are Muslims. But I don't have to jump through mental hoops and pretend to believe non-sensical things - like for example there was a good reason a holy man of God would have a man tortured to death for not revealing where treasure was hidden.
If you and many other Muslims are willing to jump through mental hoops and convince yourself Mohammed was a good man who had to do what he did, well, it's something I guess you have to do. But others don't have to do that..
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I can't help but wonder why God would send a prophet with a message for all mankind into an environment where he would "have" to behead entire tribes, "have" to have a man tortured to death over hidden treasure, etc etc. When God sent Jesus to mankind, he didn't require Jesus to do any things like that. Instead, it was Jesus' lot to sacrifice himself without resistance for the sins of mankind.
Maybe you should accept that it's okay for me to believe that Mohammed was just a false prophet. Maybe its okay for me to attribute any good elements in Mohammed's religion to things he adopted from older faiths - Judaism and Christianity. Maybe he added nothing new that was noble or high-minded. (Did he? What message did he bring that was nobler, higher minded than Jesus's?)
If Mohammed had converted to Christianity and wandered Arabia preaching the gospel wouldn't that have been better? Suppose he founded a church, the Church of Arabia, and instead of Islam we had an Arabian church as we have the Roman Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox church, the Coptic church, the Nestorian church ...... would the world be better or worse off? Would a Church of Arabia have produced an Al Qaeda, a 911 attack on the US? Would the followers of the Church of Arabia, following the teaching of the New Testament be clashing violently with people in Sudan, Indonesia, Thailand, Pakistan? Would the Church of Arabia have spawned the killers of Mumbai? |
