“…like Solon who claimed that the story where Job's daughters got him drunk and has sex with him for the express purpose of having children was really a slam dunk example of God "commanding rape in the Bible".
I claimed no such thing. More of his behind-the-back “quotes”--lol! He surely confirms for us his utter lack of integrity. Truly, a sorry and pathetic instance of a human being.
But, so as my time is not completely wasted in answering his worthless lies, I will repeat what I have said many many times when pointing out the immorality involved in the “Lot” stories.
Firstly, the facts as stipulated in the tribal myths: The males of Sodom surround Lot’s house and say to him: ”Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.”
Lot responds as follows: ”Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing”
In other words this father offered his two daughters to be gang raped.
Let us look a little deeper. After Yahweh destroys many of the cities, Lot (with permission) goes to Zoar. But Genesis tells us that Lot has a deep fear that the people there will kill him and he moves his two daughters to a cave in the mountains. So here is this man who has offered his daughters to be brutally raped, now living with them and alienated from normal human society. And it gets worse.
One daughter says, “Our father [is] old, and [there is] not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:” “Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father” And the scripture records further: “And they MADE their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose."
"And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, [and] lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father."
There are not a few peculiarities to be observed here: Firstly, there is the rather fantastic (and completely unbelievable) claim by the male writer of this tale, that Lot knew nothing of this incest while it was happening. Yet he did not suffer the impotence common to so many in his condition even though he was entirely unconscious--even though he was so comatose (so God through Moses "justifies" it) that no perception aroused him from his drunken and debauched state.
Nor does the writer's attempt at "justification" soften our righteous contempt in any way. The earth was full of available men and the daughters knew it well. And God and Moses were not unaware of these facts when they crafted this rationalization.
The fact that scripture confessed to us that Lot had offered his two daughters to be gang raped and that he chose to be alienated from society and live with his two young daughters for fear of being killed suggests to us that he was not a very good man. Certainly, we are left with two possible conclusions to ponder: He was an extremely evil man--one of the most heartless and cruel of any age or time--or he was an extremely stupid and debauched man--as malignant as an alien cancer...destroying what is youthful, decent, and innocent.??
No decent human being would attempt to justify his behavior or his character in any of these instances of breech of trust. Certainly, civilized society would see him brutalized in prison if not hanged in the public square. But what is the most detestable aspect of this whole sordid affair (and let us be honest: Men and woman of learning and intellect cannot be faulted for suspecting that this incest was somewhat different and somewhat more persistent than portrayed by the male author.)--what is more contemptible is what God thought of the moral qualities of this terribly wicked and debauched character. God has Peter express His Divine sentiments in 2 Peter 2:7,8
“…and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)…”
It just makes you sick that people would defend what he did. But I guess anyone can see why I am not surprised when God says (through scripture and with apparently no disapproval) such things as this:
"(13) And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
(14) And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
(15) And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
(16) Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
(17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
( 18 ) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves"
Lot was not the only MANLY HERO. Moses was also very HEROIC, as the passage above (one of many similar passages)--shows us very clearly. |
