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Politics : Evolution
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To: Solon who wrote (9446)11/5/2010 3:03:12 AM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (1) of 69300
 
After discounting your tiresome insults and self inflated braggadocio there's barely anything of substance left to address.

"You do not have a CLUE whether everything that has a beginning has a cause."

Everything that has a beginning necessarily has a cause. You may be "clueless" but scientists see many clues that lead them to rationally believe that the physical universe had a distinct beginning.

"Time is certainly a part of our universe--and the beginning and the end are both obviously in question, aren't they?"

Time is an interesting subject but really an aside to the main discussion here. I don't have a firm opinion on whether time is a substance or is merely a way of describing and measuring events in the physical universe. Whether time exists outside of our universe I don't know. In our universe, Big Bang Cosmologists seem to be of the opinion that time "began" when the physical universe did.

"That is why I gave you the choice to state whatever premise you liked between those under discussion."

That's mighty white of you, but I have already stated my premise. Pay attention.

You pretend that I deny your “everything that has a beginning, MUST have a CAUSE." But I am telling you... (insert gratuitous insult) I have no opinion on that issue.

You're getting awfully worked up over something that you claim to have no opinion about.

"I will accept “EVERYTHING that has a beginning, MUST have a CAUSE." As a true premise.... Now put another premise together... and then draw a sufficient AND necessary conclusion...."

Don't accept it just for the "sake of argument" if you don't accept the logical and practical necessity of cause and effect in the physical Universe then have the courage to just say so.

Anyway... here you go.

Major Premise:
Everything that has a beginning has an antecedent cause.

Minor premise:
The universe had a beginning.

Conclusion:
The Universe has an antecedent cause.

"Waiting....(insert string of gratuitous insults and throw in a I wish you would get cancer and die for good measure)"

Sweet!
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