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Politics : Evolution
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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (9606)11/10/2010 11:27:08 AM
From: Greg or e1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) of 69300
 
Thanks for the thoughtful response Jacques. Even though we appear to disagree on a few things, I like your style.

"The rub, as far as I can see, lies in the arguable nature of fact and reality."

Materialism makes many philosophic assumptions about reality that cannot themselves be demonstrated through mechanistic science. Add to that the understanding that many abstract and immaterial things in our common experience simply cannot be reduced to molecules in motion. In fact why do molecules even exist never mind move in the first place.

"To build the mountain, you and I would first need to colect premises, facts of human and other nature, that both of us accept as true and relevant, then use those in the construction from the foundation up of a moral hypothesis."

I think I have at least begun to do that by pointing to the universal intuitive experience of Mankind that some things are truly and objectively good and some things are truly and objectively evil. For instance: Do you think it's NOT objectively wrong to torture babies for fun? Science is A great tool to help us understand the universe we live in but it is simply one of many.

I am particularly (N.P.I.) struck by your (what seems to me to be odd) statement:

"I am willing to be swayed by a compelling counterargument that tests absolutely negative for "revealed" doctrine."

Why this seeming closed mindedness toward the possibility of revelation? Has no one ever shown or told you something that you could not have otherwise known? I'll give you an example. I am an artist; You can examine something I have made and tell me much about it's material construction, it's form and perhaps even it's function. What you cannot know (unless I tell you) is why I made it and for what purpose. Materialism places you in a box that you cannot get outside of. Revelation has the ability to reach inside the box and impart further important information that cannot be obtained otherwise. To discount it out of hand seems odd to me but perhaps you can further explain your reasoning.

Unfortunately I am out again for most of the day, but I will try to check in later.

Cheers Greg
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