An Open Letter from Prometheuspan:
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An Open Letter to TZM/ TVP
Hello.
A little over a year ago, I, Prometheuspan, joined the forum and began working there in a very focused manner in three main veins.
1. Clarifying and defending the positions of the movement as could be done using knowledge from the sciences in situations where people were attacking or questioning the movement.
2. Asking for clarity and lucidity to move forward with a strong project on the wiki to actually begin working the assorted problems the "Movement" has laid on the table but failed to address.
(PJ even admits in some places he doesn't have answers to some problems, which, I do.)
3. Addressing the internal organizational aspects of the forum which were failing, IE, the lack of a lucid metaprocess.
The Story is long and detailed, but this is what it comes down to. VTV was openly attacking and verbally abusing a person who was reality testing the forum. In PM I contacted that person and made peace with them, and having done that, I contacted VTV. He more or less cussed me out and told me I was wrong, and that the person wasn't reachable and that I had no Idea what I was talking about. The actual reality is that I have advanced knowledge of psychology, I had in fact made peace with the person in question in PM, and VTV was rabidly attacking this person instead of answering their hard questions.
Having worked quite diligently up to several hundred posts to help the movement, I decided to test my political capital and more importantly, the lucidity and culpability of the movement, and set
to solving a few other problems, such as the glaring problem that TVP/TZM alienates and diabolizes religious people instead of finding a way to include them. I generated several threads in the religion area to educate and inform the public about where and how science had found the things that religions are about and in specific, alpha brainwave states.
VTV then walked into that thread, attacked me personally, said that I didn't know what I was talking about when in fact I am an expert on the subject, and between him and thunder they tossed out a few dozen ad hominems at me. But they couldn't win in any real argument, because I also know formal conversational logic, and so I was banned in order to silence me.
No less than 4 threads were started to protest my banning, and what it comes down to is very simple. I did not break any rules. VTV and Thunder BOTH attacked me, and both did so in a thread I set up to make the point. Alpha brainwave states are a fact of science, and they are the state of consciousness from which operates the immediate subconscious mind. By walking into that thread and calling me crazy and ignorant, what both of them in fact proved is their crazyness and ignorance, as well as their total willingness to openly flauntingly break the rules.
This is the pattern on the forum, and this is what creates the group think there. VTV and Thunder are habitually and chronically abusive, and nothing is done about this problem.
People with real knowledge and information to offer and help the movement are thus shut out, and the result is that TVP/TZM has 1001 problems it can't solve because it always alienates experts.
It does this solely because two or five people are pretending to have knowledge and expertise they don't, and so in defense of their ignorance and because of that, they keep the movement itself ignorant.
So long as this goes on, the "Movement" will not "move". It will not solve any real problems, and in fact it can only be an obstacle to those of us who are in fact working the problems.
Without a solid metaprocess, any such organization is doomed. Without a way to deal with real trolling behaviors wisely as well as deal with difficult but non trolling behaviors wisely, the result
is going to be dealing with such situations in ways that are self defeating. And that protection must work two ways. IF it is okay for VTV and Thunder to openly attack people and use ad hominems
against them, then it is a double standard to disallow the participants retaliation. The actual reality on the forum is however that most people know that there are 50 taboo subjects which bringing up can be cause for banning. They have been silenced before, seen people be banned before, and they know that such topics are off limits. Everyone is walking on eggshells. Everyone is trying to imagine that the elephants pooping in the living room aren't real.
Between Jaques and PJ and VTV, the lot of them have knowledge approximately equal to half a dozen Bachelors degrees. Jaques may even have knowledge equal to a masters or two. And with that much knowledge, they seem to want to play a game of religious dispensationalism, where all truth comes from their top and everyone else is too stupid or just not part of their in crowd. Jaques claims to be a modern Davinci ring pretty hollow compared to my much more real situation, but if you guys think he can sing in 5 octaves or play a musical instrument, or operate autocad, I'd be
very amused to hang out with him and form a band. Or even just a design group. I have twenty auto-didactic PhDs. I am a genuine article high level polymath. And you banned me from your forum
for pointing out that VTV was being abusive, and because he literally could not hope to defend his actions, the only way he could "win" was to ban me. The problem with this is that thusly, the entire "Movement" loses.
I know that the supposed means to rejoining the forum is to contact the now secret police force and beg their forgiveness and apologize for my wrong doing. The problem is, I haven't done anything wrong. So I don't have any apologies to make, and I can't in any way sincerely approach that situation.
In any case, as is, I find the entire thing to be a disaster, and disgusting. Having Secret Police only affirms the harsh reality that the actual form of government employed on the forum is Totalitarianism. And thats a problem. Because if the "movement" promises x,Y,and Z, but in fact the actual manifested social order they are in fact employing and using on the forum is Totalitarian Fascism and Dispensational Theocracy (just wait till the next movie, it will explain everything...) Then the "Movement" has walked itself into a very dark, and very abysmal dead end, and most people
will spend less than one day on the Forums and move on, grokking rightly that the actual difference between theory and practice has shown the situation to be fatally flawed.
I do sympathize. I know that running a forum is hard, and that running a forum with people trying to troll you is harder. But there are real -if more complicated- solutions to those problems that don't require you to embody everything you claimed to stand against.
I offered a large amount of such solutions to the forum while I was there, however, such materials were mostly ignored.
You can not hope to win over the population by continuing on this path of censorship, Abuse, lies, and libel. Every person that you ban because you had to shut them up after personally attacking them is another witness against the "movement" and that stacks up over time. There are now easily more people active on the net AGAINST the "movement" than there are for it.
Change is never easy, but failure to secure a better future is even harder. If you want real solutions to such problems, then I have those solutions handy. You can always stop by RBEF, and we won't ban you for making difficult conversations, lock threads, censor you, delete your posts, or delete your threads. And the point should be made that no matter how easy that seems to work over
the short term, what it actually does to the "movement" over the long term is condemn it like so many others to the dustbin of history.
There are lessons to learn from history and one key lesson "the movement" needs to learn is that the end does not justify the means.
No matter what you may think is going to happen, or how this will play out, the simple truth is that RBEF will overtake and eventually eclipse TZM/TVP because of these core fatal flaws.
Game and System Theory both tell us that this is an absolute. You can not continue to abuse 10 percent of the newbies and maintain a dysfunctional family style silence of eggshells, and grow
in any considerable fashion. To put it in sociology terms, there are only so many positions available in orbital pack psychology sociology, once those positions are filled the absolute growth potential
for participants is thus reached, and that number is very low- about 30 or 50 persons.
Yes, I know that there are all sorts of people active in "the movement" but I am talking about the movements core, and its core growth potential.
In truth there are only a few hundred active participants, and most of those are only active a few hours per week or month. The core participant base is organized along pack psychology lines, in three tiers, and that means three packs.
Jaques is very poor at filling his pack base limit, he manages to keep only a fraction of his orbital positions filled, and the same thing goes for VTV. PJ on the other hand is very good at it, and thats why the participant base is PJ centered.
What can not happen with such a system in place is formation of egalitarian communities, being taken seriously by any kind of real world academia or media, or forming meaningful think tanks to actually solve high order problems.
As I told VTV right before I was banned. One way or another I will solve all of these problems or bring them to work via the public. IF "The movement" can only make of itself one more problem to be solved, so be it. I just celebrated my 4000th post on RBEF, and I am an Admin and Facilitator there.
Aside from this, this letter over all is an olive branch. The point of this letter is not to make "the movement" wrong, but to offer it the help it must have to grow out of the stuck 3 year old
condition it now inhabits. Social organizations tend to age in reflection of human life span cycles. We project into them from our sublimated experiential level. Being 3 years old 2 years running is an unfortunate proof that "the movement" is camped out in a dead end. I know this labyrinth and I know the way out. We can work together to solve humanities problems, but I will not be treated like garbage just to satisfy the ego needs of VTV and Thunder.
You people owe me, and the other members of RBEF apologies and re-instatement and you owe yourselves the kind of help and progress that only people like us can give you.
I Will await your timely response, and hope for the best.
Sincerely, Prometheuspan. |
