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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices

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To: tejek who wrote (607128)4/11/2011 12:53:22 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 1579769
 
If you really were worried, your fight would be with the encroachment by corps where we have little to no control and not with the gov't who is elected by us.

Corporations can't do much to harm our liberty without government support. Wal-mart is a huge company, but if I don't like them I can go to Target, or some other store. Corporations can support the restriction of competition, or having our tax money shifted to them, but they can only do so through the government. Limit the government and you reduce the extent corporations can impose on us.

I don't support giving corps. tax breaks.

Yes you do. Not long ago you supported breaks for movie studios, you supported bailouts for GM and other companies, you support tax breaks for "green energy"...

but taking it away doesn't restrain their growing power.

You didn't say "it doesn't restrain their growing power", you said it doesn't hurt them.

Also to the extent corporations wield serious power (rather than just providing goods and services to willing customers, who have the power to destroy the company by being no longer so willing), they have to rely on the government to do so.

Oh come on, Tim. Now you're just playing.........$10 for a cup of coffee......not a latte but a cup......is highway robbery in most people's books.

Make it $100bil for the cup of coffee. Its neither robbery nor extortion since your free not to pay.

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Extortion, outwresting, and/or exaction is a criminal offense which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force,[1] but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant.[2]

In the United States, extortion may also be committed as a federal crime across a computer system, phone, by mail or in using any instrument of "interstate commerce". Extortion requires that the individual sent the message "willingly" and "knowingly" as elements of the crime. The message only has to be sent (but does not have to reach the intended recipient) to commit the crime of extortion.

Extortion is distinguished from robbery. In "strong arm" robbery, the offender takes goods from the victim with use of immediate force. In "robbery" goods are taken or an attempt is made to take the goods against the will of another—with or without force. A bank robbery or extortion of a bank can be committed by a letter handed by the criminal to the teller. (Comedian Artie Lange was accused and charged with extortion after he handed a bank teller a note claiming he had a weapon and would use it if the bank did not give him $10,000 in unmarked bills; Lange later explains it was simply a joke to flirt with the bank teller and was released shortly after incarceration).[citation needed] In extortion, the victim is threatened to hand over goods, or else damage to their reputation or other harm or violence against them may occur. Under federal law extortion can be committed with or without the use of force and with or without the use of a weapon. A key difference is that extortion always involves a written or verbal threat whereas robbery can occur without any verbal or written threat (refer to U.S.C. 875 and U.S.C. 876).

The term extortion is often used metaphorically to refer to usury or to price-gouging, though neither is legally considered extortion. It is also often used loosely to refer to everyday situations where one person feels indebted against their will, to another, in order to receive an essential service or avoid legal consequences. For example, certain lawsuits, fees for services such as banking, automobile insurance, gasoline prices, and even taxation, have all been labeled "legalized extortion" by people with various social or political beliefs.[citation needed]

Neither extortion nor blackmail require a threat of a criminal act, such as violence, merely a threat used to elicit actions, money, or property from the object of the extortion. Such threats include the filing of reports (true or not) of criminal behavior to the police, revelation of damaging facts (such as pictures of the object of the extortion in a compromising position), etc.

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Yes "extortion (and "highway robbery" for that matter) are used metaphorically to refer to high and supposedly unfair prices, but such things are not actual extortion, any more than when someone shouts "We're murdering them" when the sports team they are rooting for is winning by a massive margin, means that the other team is going to end up dead as a result of the game.
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