on one of the gun forums I follow....a fellow from the Netherlands asks some questions. The conversation then continues about gun possession where he lives. Excerpts from his postings follow.
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By the way i do live in “the Netherlands” and owning a gun over here is quite different than in the USA. For instance one can only own a maximum of 5 modern (Nitro) firearms with a special permit. But collecting and using antique black powder firearms is all most free of owning (no limit). Reloading ammo is just as bad, for instance you can own a maximum of 2Kg Nitro powder and 1Kg of Black powder. And the limit of “total amount” of rounds of any kind is 10.000 pieces this includes primers (primers are considered a complete round!!!!). The local Police checks this once a year..... one mistake and you loose your firearms (and permit) for life.
To give you a idea of gun ownership over here: There are about 17 million citizens and only 38.000 registered gun owners....... that says it all.
Peter
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I will most certainly try the different black powder (granulate) that’s for sure.
But first i have to finish my current amount and type of black powder before i’m allowed to buy a new cannister. Otherwise i will exceed the maximum of 1Kg of Black Powder, and “every” purchase of ammo, powder, cases, bullets and primers is registered over here!
By the way.....as we speak my government is trying to ban gun ownership at all. About 3 month’s ago we had our “first” national gun rampage (disaster) in a shopping mall. Some lunatic young man (21 years old) who had a legal gun permit shot 14 people.....now every legal gun owner is potential hazard for the society. But nobody likes to hear anything about the daily killings by criminals. Because we (the legal gun owners) are registered in great detail, it’s easy to pick on. There is a new law in the making that states that we can’t own any ammo at all unless it’s stored at your local gun club. So reloading will be banned at the same time....... lets hope that the government won’t pass this new law thru the parliament.
An extra note: To own a gun permit you need to be a member of 1 or more gun clubs and membership of a national organisation (like your NRA). This means that every visit and shot fired at the gun club is registered..... The Dutch government has one of the most stringent gun laws in Europe or world wide for that mather.
So be aware what your government does!
Peter
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(somebody then asks him about the Nazi's and WWII and didn't they learn their lesson)
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Some governments never learn, like mine.
Needles to say that self-defence with a firearm is out of the question over here.....it’s guaranteed one way ticket to jail (minimal for 4 year). This is why the criminality is extremely high.....hell we are number one in drugs abuse world wide. Even the government makes indirect big money with drugs related activities. One can think about income taxes and VAT, last year (2010) the Dutch IRS received about 12 billion Euro’s by legalizing most drugs and associated crimes.
Yes!!!!!......your rounds (ammo) are actually counted at the gun range in combination with the mandatory registered paper targets. When you buy large amounts of ammo or reloading components you absolutely can expect a unannounced visit from your local police department. Than you can explain why you need so much in combination with your visits to the range.
It sounds absurd but there is all so a minimum of mandatory visits to the gun club, this is 18 times yearly. If you don’t register 18 visits your loose your permit. If you don’t register enough visits the government thinks that you own your gun(s) for self-defence and not for sporting uses. And stated before: self-defence with a gun is against the law.....does it still make sense to you all ?!?!
The Dutch government discourage any gun ownership at all times. Of the earlier mentioned amount of gun owners is about 15% hunter and 85% sport shooter. Hunting is considered even worse, what does that “gun idiot” do with a shotgun in the field. After that last (first) shooting incident/disaster about 97% of the Dutch citizens think that nobody should own a gun in The Netherlands......Go Figure. We as gun owners keep our heads below the radar.
Peter
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(due to the suggestions offered to his earlier questions...he gets a load that works well for him, then somebody mentions using Large Pistol primers instead of Magnum Rifle)
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I can use the LP/LPM primers because I own all types of handguns and rifles. I will try this later on (one change at the time).
But, let's say I only own/reload large caliber rifles, I could not own and buy small/large pistol or small rifle primers. I'ts that restricted over here. Owning/using reloading components for calibers that you don't have a permit for is not allowed either. For instance: I own a .300 Win Mag so I can use only .300 Win Mag components, if I would have .223 components than i'm braking the law.
I had in the past a huge conflict with the local law enforcement. I used .50-70 cases for forming loads/cases for my 12,7x44R ammo (this is nearly the same). The 12,7x44R cases are rare and very expensive and the .50-70 are not. But I do own on my “firearms-collecting-permit” (is a separate firearms permit) both rifles/calibers. Due to lack of any knowledge by the officers they “invited” me to the police department to explain the situation..... Thank god for Internet and the book “Cartridges of the Word” otherwise they didn't understand it.
Normally case (re)forming is not allowed, because the government can't control it. There is an exception for obsolete “antique” ammo, these calibers/cases must be mentioned on your permit. This means that for every new (change) caliber/gun/ammo/component you have an appointment at your local police station. There is a special department and officer for firearms permits at any major police station.
Peter
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