"You truly believe that Qatar only had one "murder" in all of 2002?"
What kind of question is that? I don't 'truly believe any statistic I didn't gather on my own and even then I am apt to have some lingering doubts. Some sources have earned more credibility than others but your standard (truly believe) is hardly worthy of a discussion on statistical reporting.
TWY posted a hard to believe statistic qualified by the word 'suspected.' I posted statistics supported by a credible source, which he labeled jibberish, followed by a slurry of posts from guys who's experience of Islam is primarily via Monkey Man's hate thread and the like.
I am experienced in research and so I know any statistical report requires interpretation by someone who understands the circumstances and qualifications of the statistic. I have never, however, heard the term truly believe associated with a statistical report ... until now. LnS made a good point that Qatar doesn't consider murders in the same context we do. It was Nation Master not Qatar establishing the basis for their statistic, so I don't know what their criteria was,. They may have just lifted the number from a report supplied by the country which would make it weak but probably not way off. I doubt they are so lazy as to just take anyone's word for it but I don't know that for sure.
This doesn't change the gist of my position. Underlying conditions are the best determiners of crime statistics. This is an easy to understand concept by us all since we can easily recognize pockets in our own country where crime statistics are effected by underlying living conditions. We prefer to move to relatively crime free neighborhoods and when we do we usually find ourselves surrounded by economically successful families who are well educated and affluent vs the crime zones which have a high population of poor people, who are unstable in lifestyle and as a group have high drop out rates from school. Qatar's statistics may not be 100% valid by our standards but I have no way of knowing that personally. It is fairly well know that it is a relatively crime free region of extreme wealth and affluence. Compare that to regions in the world where poverty and desperation to survive from one day to the next, and in which crime statistics are through the roof, regions where slavery is still employed and survival may involve stepping over dead bodies. Some of our thread members would prefer to raise Islam as the primary underlying condition. Do you truly believe that Ten? What I believe is they are serving political agendas more than they are considering common decency and their genuine conscience. I chose statistics from Qatar because those statistics help to demonstrate that point. They/you may chose to dismiss that position for their/your own purposes but not without facing some facts in the process.
I live in America and move through the general population with relative ease, I also move through Muslim communities without causing a stir. I can tell you, there is all kind of crime in every community and animus is the norm rather than the exception between groups and individuals. Decent folk, if there are any left, manage to rise above all that for the sake of goodness. In America, crime in most Muslim communities pales in comparison with the general population. Of course, some immigrants find it difficult to assimilate, largely because they are holding on to their own cultural norms but especially since it is obvious they represent the new N-word. Second and third generations are like most other waves of immigrants have been. They are productive and hardly noticeable in one's day to day affairs, especially since few of them wear the distinctive cloths styles of their ancestral home land, and no funny accents. If you were to do a study on the history of immigration to America you would probably see many parallels with what we are experiencing in this time. Most people are fully aware of this. When I attempt to point it out on this thread I am met with attempts to discount or dismissal. Why do you s'pose that is... you know why, we all do. |
