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Gold/Mining/Energy : International Precious Metals (IPMCF)
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To: Bill Jackson who wrote (27467)11/19/1997 2:49:00 AM
From: E. Charters  Read Replies (3) of 35569
 
Aces

Kills Ace Nation Notes

23 Yevgeny Pepelyaev Soviet Union *
23 Nick Sutyagin Soviet Union *
16.5 Royal N. Baker United States 3.5 kills WW II
16 Joseph McConnell United States
15 James Jabara United States 1.5 kills WW II
14.5 Manuel J. Fernandez United States
14 George Davis Jr. United States 21 kills WW II
12 Alexander Smortzkov Soviet Union *
10+ A. Boytzow Soviet Union *
10+ G. Ges Soviet Union *
10+ G. Ohay Soviet Union *
10+ D. Oskin Soviet Union *
10+ G. Pulov Soviet Union *
10+ D. Samaoylov Soviet Union *
10+ S. Veshnyakov Soviet Union *
10 Vermont Garrison United States 17.3 kills WW II
10 James Johnson United States 1 kill WW II
10 Frederick Blesse United States
10 Harold E. Fischer United States
10 Lonnie R. Moore United States
10 Ralph S. Parr Jr. United States
9 Cecil G. Foster United States
9 Anatoly Karelin Soviet Union *
9 James F. Low United States
9 Mikhail Mihin Soviet Union *
8 George L. Ruddell United States
8 Robinson Wisner United States
7 Clifford D. Jolley United States
6.5 Francis Gabreski United States 28 kills WW II
6.5 Donald E. Adams United States
6.5 George L. Jones United States
6.5 Winton W. Marshall United States
6 Nikolay Ivanov Soviet Union *
6 James H. Kasler United States
5 Guy Bordelon United States
5 Robert P. Baldwin United States
5 Richard S. Becker United States
5 Stephen L. Bettinger United States
5 John F. Bolt United States
5 Guy P. Bordelon United States
5 Clyde A. Curtin United States
5 Ralph D. Gibson United States
5 Ivan C. Kinchloe United States
5 Robert T. Latshaw United States
5 Robert H. Moore United States
5 Dolphin D. Overton,III United States
5 Nikolay Shkodin Soviet Union *
5 William H. Wescott United States
5 Guy Bordelon United States

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Russia 157+

* Glorious Heroes

Yanks 279

This is what the aces shot down in actual fact. All else is ground
fire. It should be noted that the Russians only got credit for
wreckage that was found whereas Americans got credit for unconfirmed
kills that do not tally with Russian records. Americans also got
credit for unarmed transport aircraft, planes on the ground and
barrage balloons.

So it was not 792 to 71 in the American's favour. Add in what native
North Koreans shot down and Ground fire (heavy US losses) and it tips
in the North's favour.

Now you know the real reason for the DMZ in Korea. the yanks did
not just get beat on the ground as MacArthur admitted, but also in
the air. They could not push them back so they mined the middle
(from the air) and quit.

It jibes with what ground soldiers told me about the battle too
as they said it was touch and go all the way. We had superior
artillery and armament but we just could not secure positions
with limited manpower. Or continue to take impregnable hills.

Next, Vietnam. Why the lost that one too. Fair and square. Not
politically as we were told. Our planes were being shot to
pieces by Soviet radar and we could not prosecute incursions
into the north.

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