Would love to see wiki doing the leak on central banks' communications, what they say within own central bank, to other central banks multilaterally and bilaterally, and to the legislatures, then to the media
In the mean time leaking on George Friedman shall have to do
Getmuchmoregold The cretins think like cretins, and shine off of the reflected light off of others ... But Occasionally the cretins have a point,
"... One sense I'm getting here is that the American elite, along with Europe's, China's and just about everyone but Russia's his suffering from three problems: First, none are really aware of the political pressures on other elites. Second, they completely misunderstand the alienation of the publics, three, except for Volcker, they think this can be handled by the elites among themselves. We have a crisis of the elites, in my view. "
Re: Insight--for internal use only--On pain of agony
Email-ID 1116544 Date 2010-02-20 20:37:58 From goodrich@stratfor.com To bokhari@stratfor.com, richmond@stratfor.com, reva.bhalla@stratfor.com, friedman@att.blackberry.net, secure@stratfor.com No wonder Medvedev has 2 trips planned to Turkey this spring..... Russia will try to take advantage.
Reva Bhalla wrote:
yes... turkey isn't only using Iran as the cause for the break. look at turkey's public outrage over the Israeli offensive in Gaza as an example. Turkey is already pretty tight with Russia, but this doesn't mean Turkey has to necessarily get closer to Russia. Turkey will play nice with the Russians but also wants to show it can play on its own On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Jennifer Richmond wrote:
I meant to say, if not for Iran, would he look for other places/weaknesses in the US/Israel relationship to cause a break? And, if he did break with these two, would it mean necessarily that he would move closer to Russia?
Reva Bhalla wrote:
US and Israel are the ones that matter. it's about redefining Turkey's role as an independent power On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Jennifer Richmond wrote:
Erdogan is looking to break with the US and Israel? Are there other possible places he could do this, if he is actively trying?
George Friedman wrote:
Turkey would break with israel and the united states. It would be an opportunity erdogan is looking for.
Iran would become more visible but not more powerful. A year after the attack its underlying weakness would still be there and its dependence on turkey greater.
In my view the ourtcome of this is turkish power. But remeber, my insight is not that israel will attack. Its that kissinger thinks they will attack. Huge difference.
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From: "Kamran Bokhari" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:55:16 +0000 To: Secure List Subject: Re: Insight--for internal use only--On pain of agony All my sources - regardless of factional affiliation - are convinced that Iran is preparing for war and one that will make the regime more stronger. Did you see Bob Baer make the same argument in TIME? Any attack on Iran will make it very difficult for Turkey. It will be forced to take a stand against the war and there could be trouble with the United States. Such a conflict will be a test of Turkey's resurgence and moves towards a more independent foreign policy.
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From: "George Friedman" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:47:49 +0000 To: Kamran Bokhari; George Friedman; Secure List Subject: Re: Insight--for internal use only--On pain of agony I believe th us will premempt. But there is no clear time line.
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From: "Kamran Bokhari" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:43:38 +0000 To: George Friedman; Secure List Subject: Re: Insight--for internal use only--On pain of agony Understood. What is your own assessment of the view that the Israelis will attack?
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From: George Friedman Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:41:03 -0600 To: Secure List Subject: Insight--for internal use only--On pain of agony Internal use only
Some nuggets from meeting:
Kissinger believes that the Israelis are in a panic and will attack Iran. Erdogan has made it clear to him that he plans to break with Israel at some point and reorient toward the Islamic world. He intends to be their leader. Paul Volcker regards the Greek crisis as potentially a mortal blow for the EU. He would like to see an IMF tranche. He also said that Nicholas Brady is behind both this and the Volcker principles Obama adopted. When I asked Brady how he expects to get the the U.S. to go along with an IMF bailout, he shrugged and said they won't, but that's the only choice. Volcker is now doubtful the Euro can survive. Brady is convinced it will. Kissinger thinks Volcker and Brady are missing the real crisis which is in Iran and potentially Russia. Volcker also says that the Bank of England and the French will go along with the Volcker rules on an international basis--that is returning to a variety of Glass-Steagal. The Japanese will do whatever is said, and in Germany only Deutsche Bank really makes decisions. Sarkozy told him he would come in. So there may be an international convention on restructuring banks under way--Volcker is pretty careful in what he says and doesn't promote himself more than the average bear, so this may be the case. Nick Brady thinks so too.
Total confusion on situation in China, but more on Obama. They don't understand who is running China policy. The decision to meet with the Dalia Lama strikes them as particularly bizarre. But China is the least of the discussion. It is about Greece and Iran. China is kind of an afterthought.
I asked Tim Reed who ran Resolution Trust Corporation during the S&L crisis under Nick Brady whether a new RTC would have been better as a supplement to TARP and he agreed but said that Paulsen was so panicked he wasn't thinking and Bernaecke and he were just responding.
One sense I'm getting here is that the American elite, along with Europe's, China's and just about everyone but Russia's his suffering from three problems: First, none are really aware of the political pressures on other elites. Second, they completely misunderstand the alienation of the publics, three, except for Volcker, they think this can be handled by the elites among themselves. We have a crisis of the elites, in my view.
I get to hold forth in an hour or so, and I'm going to argue that Iran is going out of control because of the elite crisis. No decision making is going on and the decisions that are being made won't be supported in the public. The only country that is acting decisively and can do so is Russia.
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