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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!!

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To: Grainne who wrote (13787)11/23/1997 12:43:00 AM
From: JF Quinnelly  Read Replies (1) of 108807
 
Christine, I'll leave the accusations of myopia and ignoring facts to you.

As far as Celtic corpses, dead men tell no tales. We know what we do about the Celtic religion from the observations of those who left us a written record, primarily the Greeks. No one who was an initiate into the Druidic priesthood ever left a written record.

As for the Old Irish, the book on the Celts I cited states that it was developed late, and was suitable only for grave markers and as mnemonic devices. The Irish relied on oral transmission. It was the Christian monk Patrick who recorded much of what we now have.

I never said anything about Celts wearing plaids and ornate jewelry, so that particular rant of yours is especially pointless.

I have just ordered an encyclopedia of Celtic stories and poems. It would seem strange that such scholarly works might be fiction!!!

Well, won't it be nice when you actually get a chance to read them. But so what? They aren't the detailed religious beliefs of the Celts, they are tales and poems. You still can't locate a single source from historic Celtic sources that gives the slightest credibility to the ridiculous fantasties of modern suburban "neo-pagans".

I hope you have finally come to understand that Satanism, and Satanic beliefs, cults, etc. have absolutely nothing to to with wicca, and are in fact the dark offshoot of Christianity.

Well, since I have never equated "Satanism" with Wicca or the old European religions, I can only congratulate you on another red-herring argument. Maybe you will come to understand that you have to address the arguments that people actually make, and not invent straw-men.

Can you point out in Starhawk's tract something which is evil?

Who cares if it is "evil"? It's silly and foolish, and that's enough.

This is a mostly Christian society, and there is domestic violence in 50% of relationships, mostly inflicted by males.

Look up "non-sequitor".

Your continual reference to one minister who saved a few women from death in Salem obscures the reality for many thousands more in Europe.

Salem is not only the best known witch-trial in America, it is the only witch-trial in American history. And instead of being promulgated by the church, as you tell it, it turns out that the witch-hunting was stopped by the pastor of Salem. As far as the witch-hunting in Europe, it is significant that it only happened in the western, Latin-speaking part of Christendom. None of the lands of eastern Roman Empire, Byzantium, participated in it. Which is one of the indications that witch-hunting built on the older superstitions that were prevalent in the west.

Hakeem is a sociologist whose doctoral thesis was on whether or not you could predict parole outcomes based on studies, criteria, etc. Not exactly the history of Christianity, which is obvious in what he writes. He selects various incidents over a two-thousand year history to weave a tendentious "history", not unlike The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It's just special pleading, more in the realm of hate-mongering than history.
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