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Politics : Mainstream Politics and Economics

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To: koan who wrote (14306)4/2/2012 12:43:42 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) of 85487
 
Someone has to pay.

Someone always has to pay under every situation.

In my case (and this might be the last thing I say about my case, the issue is the overall system and its major aspects, not me personally), I'm probably on the hook for a lot of debt. Which isn't unreasonable given the situation.

Obamacare would make health insurance affordable by 2014 and mandate it.

Mandateing it doesn't change the "someone has to pay" point. Requiring insurance companies to pay for people who sing up with pre-existing conditions isn't providing insurance, its mugging the insurance companies for the money. Finally Obamacare won't make it more affordable, it increases the prices with the madate to cover people with pre-existing conditions, and with the mandate to cover many different diseases disorders and conditions, some of which have limited or zero co-pay or deductible. It effectively outlaws catastrophic insurance and requires additional cost insulation for the consumer. All of which increases the cost of insurance.

I don't see how you can even comment on health insurance when you don't have it

What a crazy statement. Can I not comment on Mars since I haven't been there? (Or if you argue, that no one has been to Mars, can I not comment on Tokyo since I haven't been there, but many people have?)

which means if you get sick or hurt society has to pay for you.

Which means if I get sick or hurt I may be saddled with debt for a long time, not necessarily that other people would pay. But say I was also indigint, or the cost was so high that I could never pay and other people would pay, that still doesn't mean I can't comment. Esp since driving the cost of insurance up creates more people who can't pay.

If someone has "insurance", after they have a pre-existing condition, its still other people paying. If they have insurance subsidized by the government its still other people paying. Its almost all other people paying, except for those that could have insurance without either a mandate or subsidy or requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, or those rich enough to self-insure. Its not just Obamacare that doesn't reduce (and in fact increases) the "other people paying" factor, so would single payer (to an even larger extent)
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