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Politics : View from the Center and Left

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To: koan who wrote (192022)6/18/2012 11:01:15 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water  Read Replies (2) of 543757
 

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<B: Well, I will admit that "Back to the Earth", "Down with the Draft", and hurrah free love and LSD, and Woodstock etc. did all happen together in the late 60's. But I think the initial organizing principle was the VN war and the draft and the fallout out from that reached over into other areas of our culture.>>

K: No, there were no initial organizers. The precursor's were Gertrude Stein's and the French folks (30's), San Francisco and Greenwich Village beatniks (50's), and Jack Kerouac and the UC gang of Ginsberg and Savio 50/60's. All wonderfully recreated in MTV's Daria (my favorite personality after Bugs Bunny).

I do not accept this. Those people had nothing to do with the draft protests. They were people that initiated or helped shape the "counter-culture" movement. But the students assembling en mass to shout "Hell no, we won't go" were inspired by Uncle Sam wanting to ship their butt overseas. However, if you have any research that supports your assertion you can change my mind.



B: <<By "existential' I assume you do not mean some organized philosophy that took over the culture, but rather several dilfferent trends and coalitions that swept away 50's approaches (not to mention the "pill's" technical contribution to the sexual revolution that was underway as well).>>

K: Existentialism, is nothing more than a rising of consciousness. An awakening, like Zen. A state of mind and awareness.

And as Marshall Mcluhan would have said. It makes sense it was the beatnik artists of North beach in SF and Greenwhich village, who first engaged it in (in this country) as they are trained to "see".

Your frame of reference about existentialism and mine are completely at odds. As this is not my area of expertise we will have to leave it there. However, if you are seriously considering ever re-engaging in academia I think you should check your sources again.
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