Q. All right. And you were aware that they were manipulating the price of the shares as you watched that day go on?
A. I was not aware of manipulation, okay, absence of malice on my part. I was happy that they saw what I was doing and believed in the company and purchased shares. I did not know at that time that that was, A, insider information; or, B, I certainly didn't know it was manipulation. Talk about manipulation, Jens Dalsgaard, okay, would be on the phone with an investor saying there's going to be a press release out tomorrow. Buy 3 million shares right now so you can catch it and get out of it tomorrow afternoon. And, you know, he would spend 25, 30 minutes telling the stockholder to buy 3 million shares. When he agreed to buy the 3 million shares, he would call -- he would tell John Barkman, who worked for him, to sell 3 million shares. They just got a 3-million-share buyer coming in. And, you know, it seemed that every time we put out a press release, the stock went down, and I couldn't understand why. Now I know why. And this stockholder that I'm referring to, him and his little group of investors have lost upwards of $3 million.
Q. Who were -- who's the investor?
A. That's going to be supplied to you with – from my attorney. He's going to be one of our witnesses.
Q. All right. Who is he?
THE WITNESS: Don?
MR. LELAND: Yeah, go ahead and tell him.
A. Larry Greer.
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