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To: Solon who wrote (984)	12/6/2012 2:16:17 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) of 2133

"Only a few posts ago I reminded you that I have never contested when an egg gets a full complement of DNA!" Will you never stop with the overt dishonesty? It's a Human life and it's no more reducible to JUST DNA than you and I are. "The human life aspect is hotly contested and studied in the Scientific community." No it's not. The only ones who are arguing against the FACT that Human life begins at conception are people like you who are desperately clinging to the legal cover to kill their own unborn children. "But the difference is in seconds or at most hours so it is irrelevant to me." Why are you talking about differences in seconds after conception when you support abortion on demand at all stages of a pregnancy including partial birth abortions of full term children? "Personhood is a complicated area of philosophical enquiry which involves a great deal more than being a skin cell or an egg." Of course it is and that's why you hide behind it as an excuse to kill unborn children the same way slave owners hid behind it so they could keep their slaves. It's a phony argument and you know it. "The fact is that even fully developed persons with no controversy or dispute over their personhood simply have no right to the body of another human being." What complete nonsense! A Mother has both a legal and moral obligation to nurture and protect her children at all stages of development. The physical connection is irrelevant to that ongoing obligation. "Trying to remove a person’s right to their body is barbaric and foolish." The Mothers exclusive rights to her own body (which nobody disputes BTW) are certainly mitigated by her obligation to nurture and care for a child that is the result of her volitional engagement in an act that she knew might very well result in bringing a new life into existence, with the accompanying obligation. "The moral thing to do is to encourage all those who would have an abortion to do so as early as possible" NO! The moral thing to do would be to honor your obligation to nurture and care for your child at all stages of development. This is what decent and moral people have always done. "Can you think of one human being who would care for a sperm, an egg, or a fertilized egg for a lifetime if any of those insentient things were never to change, but always to remain unchanged decade after decade--without brain, without heart, without anything?" Did adding colour to that comment somehow make it any less inane, and why do you keep adding egg and sperm to the argument when you already conceded that they are irrelevant? Every fetus naturally conceived will develop quite rapidly to the point of birth in approximately 9 months, so your gibberish about "decade after decade" is just that. Adoption is a very viable and morally noble option for those who find themselves in a self imposed position of obligation. "Yet you pretend that having human DNA makes something a person. If that were the case, then the tiny speck of an egg (the size of a period) would be entitled (leaving aside the issue of human rights of the woman and pretending that this dot is outside her body), to be cared for and kept." Again you want to hide behind legal technical weasel words instead of just recognizing that we are taking about a Human Being, but YES all Human Life is afforded basic Human rights by nature of being Human. "You know damn well that egg has no actual value to anyone." Again with the egg argument? All that does is reveal the weakness of your position and your total commitment to dishonesty in this mater. Cowboy up dude! "It is NOT a person but it has the POTENTIAL to become a person." And again with the egg argument. All that does is reveal the weakness of your position and your total commitment to dishonesty in this mater. Cowboy up dude! "If it were an actual person then you (and any other human being) would be willing and happy to care for it year after year irrespective of whether or not it ever grew larger than a grain of sand--and regardless of the fact that it has no nervous system and no awareness of any kind." Of course in the case of test tube babies the obligation does in fact continue and that's why we don't allow them to be experimented on. According to your view, why wouldn't you also be in favour of experimenting on full term fetus'? "A human egg is not a person any more than a chicken egg is a chicken. Get that straight once and for all and stop bothering me with your bleating and your insincere blubbering." Wow! You just can't get any more dishonest than that. You obviously don't have any kind of case at all, or you wouldn't have to keep repeating the same dishonest argument OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

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