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Politics : View from the Center and Left

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To: epicure who wrote (212985)12/29/2012 12:57:19 PM
From: koan  Read Replies (1) of 541518
 
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There are gun fights now- that kill children in their homes. My father was a hard core alcoholic- but he could still work. And you HAD a father, as did I. Most of the kids in Richmond don't. It's completely different now. Just look at the statistics from the 60's and now (or maybe you're from the 50's, when things were even better.) There were still blue collar jobs. The downtown hadn't been killed. Families were still relatively in tact.>>

So what are you saying? And so what, all the more reaosn to get cracken to solve the problem!

<<Before you imagine your brave new world, you probably ought to check out how much things have changed.

<<No one doesn't *believe* people can't benefit from education- but people who know the area know that social services, health care, and safety are probably a place to start, because without basic safety, and some social skills, education really doesn't work so well.>>

How does that conflict with anything I said? Sure, we need tons more social services. Raise taxes and provide what is needed would be my plan.

<<You can, of course, believe a straw man argument that people who don't agree with you don't believe in "education", but that's not true. No one believes in education more than I do, but I also believe you can't educate a child when their most basic needs have not been met since birth>>

I never made any straw man argument. What do you think I said is a straw man argument? You can educate most kids and it is silly to worry about what you can't do. One does the best is all I am saying and we are not doing anywhere near our best.

Where are the pervasive "free" pre schools with hot breakfasts, hot school lunches, work study programs, and whatever else we need to "get er done?"

That 5 trillion Bush pissed away sure would have provided a lot of social services and educational help.

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