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To: koan who wrote (41945)4/24/2013 8:00:46 PM
From: Brumar892 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) of 85487
 
Why are liberal utopias always places with no historical diversity? Countries like Denmark and in this country, places like Vermont, Portland, etc?

In Denmark's case that's changing. The Muslim population has grown to 5% over a couple decades and is clearly going to wreck the liberal welfare state. Muslims receive 40% of welfare payments and commit a majority of crime there.

blog.balder.org

Even without the Muslims, the Danish welfare state won't last:

Danes Rethink a Welfare State Ample to a Fault

Jan Grarup for The New York Times
Robert Nielsen, 45, said proudly last year that he had basically been on welfare since 2001.


By SUZANNE DALEY



Published: April 20, 2013
COPENHAGEN — It began as a stunt intended to prove that hardship and poverty still existed in this small, wealthy country, but it backfired badly. Visit a single mother of two on welfare, a liberal member of Parliament goaded a skeptical political opponent, see for yourself how hard it is.

turned out, however, that life on welfare was not so hard. The 36-year-old single mother, given the pseudonym “Carina” in the news media, had more money to spend than many of the country’s full-time workers. All told, she was getting about $2,700 a month, and she had been on welfare since she was 16. In past years, Danes might have shrugged off the case, finding Carina more pitiable than anything else. But even before her story was in the headlines 16 months ago, they were deeply engaged in a debate about whether their beloved welfare state, perhaps Europe’s most generous, had become too rich, undermining the country’s work ethic. Carina helped tip the scales.

With little fuss or political protest — or notice abroad — Denmark has been at work overhauling entitlements, trying to prod Danes into working more or longer or both.
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Carina was not the only welfare recipient to fuel the sense that Denmark’s system has somehow gotten out of kilter. Robert Nielsen, 45, made headlines last September when he was interviewed on television, admitting that he had basically been on welfare since 2001.

Mr. Nielsen said he was able-bodied but had no intention of taking a demeaning job, like working at a fast-food restaurant. He made do quite well on welfare, he said. He even owns his own co-op apartment.

Unlike Carina, who will no longer give interviews, Mr. Nielsen, called “Lazy Robert” by the news media, seems to be enjoying the attention. He says that he is greeted warmly on the street all the time. “Luckily, I am born and live in Denmark, where the government is willing to support my life,” he said.

Some Danes say the existence of people like Carina and Mr. Nielsen comes as no surprise. Lene Malmberg, who lives in Odsherred and works part time as a secretary despite a serious brain injury that has affected her short-term memory, said the Carina story was not news to her. At one point, she said, before her accident when she worked full time, her sister was receiving benefits and getting more money than she was.

“The system is wrong somehow, I agree,” she said. “I wanted to work. But she was a little bit: ‘Why work?’ ”
nytimes.com

BTW since you've brought up Denmark an ideal ..... how come they can have school choice, but Americans can't?

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