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Politics : Mainstream Politics and Economics

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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (42252)4/28/2013 4:36:53 PM
From: DallasKevin1 Recommendation  Read Replies (3) of 85487
 
Here you go for the Right Wing Anti-Mexican subject...
Food stamps, medical. You can look those up. There is plenty of proof out there for you.
You didn't provide proof, here you go. snap-step1.usda.gov There you will see that it is required to have a government ID and Social Security number to apply for food stamps. That is proof from the United States Government..."plenty of proof out there" for you is just looking at other blogs as "proof". Clearly, since an illegal alien can NOT get a government ID nor have a Social Security Number, they can NOT apply for food stamps. Nor are they eligible for welfare of any type for the same reasons.

they actually do it. If you knew any illegal aliens, you would know this. As far as the off-shore accounts and foreign hedge funds, these do not change marginal spending, whereas that of lower income people does.
For your information, my wife is from Mexico and came here illegally, as did some of her family-all educated people. Mi esposa es mexicana de Mexico...pero yo soy Gringo. Her brother is a lawyer, but works as a retail manager because his degree isn't recognized here. My wife has a Masters in International Business and speaks 5 languages (English, Spanish, French, Portuguese, and Italian) and yet works as a retail associate because her degree is not recognized here. Her sister has a Masters in Manufacturing Engineering, yet works as a retail associate for Petsmart for the same reason. They came here because they had no choice...it was either that or they were going to be kidnapped or killed for being successful, along with their children. I know this for a fact because I have been to their hometown. So, you can see that I know many illegals myself, and I believe I am much more familiar with their way of life than you are within your insulated world. I speak Spanish (as well as Japanese and English...I am Irish-American). And the money sent off-shore is exactly the same as the money sent out of the country. It does change marginal spending, but on a much greater scale, as the amount is in the trillions of dollars, compared to the millions from the Hispanics. That money is removed from our economy in exactly the same way-only the vast majority of it is invested in foreign economies instead of here. A great portion of what is sent south eventually finds its way back here through the purchase of goods manufactured or marketed from the US, rendering that point also invalid.

Many do, this is true. And they also cheat on their taxes by claiming non-resident "dependents". Yes, I can provide links.
If they have children, claiming them as dependents is "cheating"? Why is that so? Simply because they are Hispanic? Do you not have the right to claim your dependents? They themselves are "non-residents", as are their children. So when they file their taxes using their ITIN (as non-residents) and claim their children (who are also non-residents), how is this cheating? I am extremely familiar with the way this process works...as you should be also since you also file taxes (I hope). In order to claim a dependent you have to have your dependent's Social Security Number, correct? They do the same, with an ITIN that they received from the IRS for that purpose. This is not cheating...it is simply following the procedures outlined by the IRS. The "Cheating" part is where you and your kind think you have the right to take everything they make because they are Hispanic. In support: "Undocumented immigrants pay taxes every time they buy gas, clothes or new appliances. They also contribute to property taxes—a main source of school funding—when they buy or rent a house, or rent an apartment. The Social Security Administration estimates that half to three-quarters of undocumented immigrants pay federal, state and local taxes of greater than $11.5 billion, plus an additional $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security taxes for benefits they will never get. They can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but not welfare or food stamps."

Bullshit on the republicans/tea party not caring about the dead in the narco-terrorist war. Much of northern mexico is a failed state. It is Mexico's job to fix it. Certainly some people coming across the border are refugees, but you must know that a great number come from El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala and other latin american countries. I'd stop the billions to Jordan as well, BTW.
In one sentence you say "bullshit on not caring", and in the next breath actually say that you do not care, that it is not our problem. And the "great number" you speak of here is actually 22%. "The number estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007. [1]Other estimates range from 7 to 20 million. [2] According to a 2005 Pew Hispanic Center report, 56% of undocumented immigrants were from Mexico; 22% were from other Latin American countries; 13% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe and Canada; and 3% were from Africa and the rest of the world." As you can see here, slightly over half (56%) of the illegals in the US are from Mexico, and yet if you listen to all the Right rhetoric and believed what you heard, you would think it was 99%. Proof in itself from all the "Anti-Mexican" talk from the Right that it is racially motivated.

And your "proof" of terrorists entering the US is two cases...in over 10 years. Not exactly huge news, as that many per month are probably getting in here on student visas. Go to Dearborn, Michigan some time. (Visit the Ford Museum while you are there...great place!) This is the same place where they were dancing in the streets after 9/11. All of them are here legally.

It gets a little boring to constantly have these false charges of racism thrown out by people who don't know what they hell they are talking about. I helped our maid get her citizenship (she is El Salvadoran)
How kind of you to help your maid. Or did you do that so you could keep cheap, hardworking help? Was it motivated by goodness of your own heart, or was the true motivation to help yourself? Just asking here, for all I know you may be encouraging her to go to college-but probably not. And are you saying that all Hispanics are good for is unskilled domestic help? Landscapers and maids? How does this differ from giving black sharecroppers the privileged of living and working on your land, as long as they minded their place in society?

And it isn't racist simply because our most porous border is to the south and the people on the southern border generally have darker skin. It's really more a function of failed economic and political systems south of our border.
Actually, if you do your research you will find that the list of 5 "gateway" states only has 2 on the southern border. Two are actually in the north by Canada, and one only has the Atlantic Ocean around it. But nothing is said of Northern ones because they are "white gateway" areas for illegals. And the failed economic system is one that the US government is also responsible for. You remember NAFTA, right? Did you also know that the Government of Mexico has has the United States in the world courts over breach of NAFTA for over a decade? The US forces Mexico to adhere to the parts that are beneficial to the US, and yet ignores the obligations that are beneficial to Mexico. On top of that, with government farm subsidies here in the United States, companies like ConAgra can sell produce in Mexico for less than it costs them to grow it there since they have already been paid for it once. This completely destroyed the agriculture industry in Mexico, and currently miles of land that was once productive is lying fallow, since they can not compete with US Subsidized companies. Add to that the arms and ammo shipped south to Mexico by the US Government which is used to murder civilians in the war there. I spent 6 years in Operations/Intelligence in the US Armed Forces, and I know all of the earmarks of US involvement in a foreign country. The CIA has has camps set up there staffed by "mercenaries", which work on both sides of the conflict, including training. It is in the best economic interest of the US to have an unstable country to the south, rather than an economically strong competitor, and covert operatives are carrying this out. So, the problems south of our border were created by the US, for US interests, and are supported by the Right for reasons that have nothing to do with "security". It is Anti-Mexican, plain and simple.

And the following shows that is IS our problem...since we created it and are fueling it:

"The Central Intelligence Agency was intimately involved with the federal government’s infamous “Operation Fast and Furious” scheme to send American weapons to Mexican drug cartels while simultaneously working with other agencies allowing narcotics to be shipped over the border, according to a series of explosive reports.
Citing an unnamed CIA source, a Washington Times article theorizes that U.S. officials were actively aiding organizations such as the Sinaloa cartel with guns and immunity in an effort to stymie Los Zetas. That’s because, according to the piece, the powerful and brutal criminal Zetas syndicate has the potential to overthrow the government of Mexico — and might be planning to do so.

Apparently the secretive U.S. intelligence agency also played a key role in creating and using the American government’s gun-running program to arm certain criminal organizations. The scheme, which has already been implicated in countless deaths including the murders of several U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officers, saw thousands of high-powered American guns delivered to multiple cartels.

“The CIA’s motive is clear enough: The U.S. government is afraid the Los Zetas drug cartel will mount a successful coup d’etat against the government of [Mexican President] Felipe Calderón,” wrote Robert Farago and Ralph Dixon in the Times’ report, entitled “Was CIA behind Operation Fast and Furious?”"
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