Well, Alan being raised in a Baptist ministry setting to Jewish people
is the frosting on this very strange little cake here. Yes. The wonder of it all. I am wondering more and more.
The statement "are you going to take sides (with you and Alan)" so shocked me my jaw dropped. (Which I interpreted to mean against the concept of Jesus being the only presence on Earth which leads directly to the One Who Sits on The Throne. Of course He is. Period.) So, I put on the brakes there thinking we were getting into everyone's sore spot, and were uncovering some obvious prejudice here, and that was just a little obvious, of course, I'm pretty smart actually, but with things of lthe Kingdom of God, I have a lot of politeness I otherwise have not been blessed with as a virtue. Trust me on that.
I have been shocked and offended at the insults you have both received, over and over and over, until there were sincere apologies made for some of it, of being accused of being Talmudic and without the ability to receive Christ properly......until, ........until.........I was just waiting for the Lord to be able to bring out of EMile whatever this is, and of course hoping all along it would end up being like me and Alan's thing over my silliness on the JAXI thread with the bored guys--all total and complete misinterpretation.
So, the only reason I didn't blow everyone out of the water by blasting away at the idea at the comments is that Alan was doing a real good job of that himself. I was trying in Christian love to say things to Emile to make him see the error of his ways, and aware at the same time there are a few people that feel at home here off and on, and not wanting to give them more to wonder about themselves.
I saw a funny post yesterday which said "Go over to the SI church"
meaning this thread. I agree. It is and should be. It completes the wonderful world of SI. There are the bad bars here, the wicca philosophy threads, and the God threads. Perfect balance.
And LIKE home meetings, even, and you know this, the town drunk can stagger to the door, fall on his face puking on the porch, and a true believer will sense that God has sent him there to be saved and will be kind to that puking drunk. Others call the cops.
So here comes my friend, Alan, and I make a big deal of my friend Alan being here, and anyone should rather understand that any Christian who is excited about someone "finally showing up" might figure that that person MIGHT ALSO BE A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!! as in a Christ-followers, or a Christ-ian, well from the first, there was total hostility, period.
I'm still wondering what the Lord in His wisdom would do to justify to Emile and Robert both having nothing to say to you except to imply that you are Talmudic, infiltrating the realm of Jesus CHrist as imposters, being unworthy of true CHristian fellowship, and that you now, accepting Christ, are no longer obviously ANTI-Christs, but almost as bad. Messianic Jews! This is where I kind of went into a coma to not believe the worst.
Apologies to this have been made. But the root cause has not
been determined.
This all has been a little very strange experience for me. Like I said, never in my multitudinous ventures with every known church on Earth where the members love Jesus, pure black, mostly indian, mostly street junkie, mostly rich Episcopaleans who are spirit-filled (ah, what a precious place that is. Pure bikers, churches where people have known none of the above, Four Square, Pentacostal, everythiing in the Kingdom EXCEPT Jim and Tammy's trash show, and their like, there are others I think still, I just have never heard such comments. Hummmmmmmmm.
So, this definitely has been hard to accept, but what I have read is almost that two men hold first to the concept that there is no good jew but a dead jew. A converted Jewish Christian did not qualify for almost 5 posts apiece.
I'm sorry to talk like this, but it tells it like it is, and this is why I've been so polite, because I can tell it like it is real good. The dead elephant in the last posts from Emile and Robert have had me wondering how anyone who loves Jesus Christ--an especially with the depth Emile has shown me in his posts on the matters of the kingdom--could have so insulted my friend Alan. And then when you came on, I thought it would stop immediately. And quickly go the other way. Perhaps with deep and sincere apology for judgments so many, many miles from anything llooking like truth.
I'm still in shock, and still want to know how both of you could have been battered so badly with Talmudism, without a word to find if such was even in your background, and especially the "Messianic Jews" as being part of the Anti-Christ's plan. Then it all gets like a bad script, poorly written, in fact.
And as for Alan. Sorry, Alan, and I know this will insult your "bonehead" self, but you have the heart and soul of a good old Kansas farm boy. This is another of the reasons I have been so without understanding of all this. It has been wrong, it has been wrong, it has been wrong. I never want to see it ever happen again to anyone. Including Emile. I guess this thought pattern has been disturbing the other brethren all along. I just come and go and don't study anything too much, as there's too much of it. I can't do that until I get my printer up.
That's why I hope we're all going to come to some real answers that explain why anyone Jewish would be subject to such insults.
I know there have been apologies, but that doesn't take away the heart of the matter. And especially I most certainly need to see the explanation for the connection between Talmudic Anti-christs and somehow them being part and parcel of the "Messianic Jewish"
movement. I am absolutely as curious as you are. What in the world created such thought associations, I wonder. And especially since I have been in and out of any form of Jewish Messianic ministry available for years. Just kept Shabbots about 20 of the Arcata First Baptist Jewish Christians and "Christian Jews" as I decided we should be called: The CH-rew". Get it? The Crew? I liked it. This group was knitted together because we were all the core of the homeless ministry every month and also the street preaching and handing out sandwiches in the park and witnessing with it. Abbie was the very core and center of both efforts, and went and did them alone when no one would go with her. She is as purely Jewish and as wonderfully Jewish as any human other than Barbara Streisand could be, and much like her except she couldn't sing, will forever be at the top of my Most Fabulous FRiends I Have Even Found List.
I'm getting a little angry about it all, and that accomplishes nothing.
But I do wait for answers, and I think we do deserve them, in the name of Jesus Christ, and by the Blood of Jesus Christ.
So, I wait now to be educated on this matter, as I'm sure others do to.....
The dead elephant has started to really reek. But like I said, I am very patient and understanding, always hoping there's a good explanation, and we have not actually seen what we have seen, but that we have seen a verbal illusion that only looks like teachings straight from Mein Kampf. j Haven't read it, haven't ever picked it up, but I was seeing similarities anyway. Again, these discussions are very difficult for me, because all my Christian life I have tried to pick no fights with ANY believer. I leave the fighting to my Lord with the believers. I like to go fight the devil on the outside.
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