Don, there's a difference between winning a debate and asserting victory. If there is no longer any scientific debate, would they be so kind as to explain how the opposing arguments are incorrect? <There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected."<>
Could they please say how the heat got from the mid troposphere to the deep ocean without being observed, and how do they measure the deep ocean enthalpy?
If they can answer that, could they also explain why they think the temperature in the troposphere has increased over the last decade or so when the climate scientists have demonstrated that it has not, contrary to the models?
That's a bit of basic science for them to get their teeth into, rather than simply assert that they are right because they once had cushy numbers in the EPA so are obviously caring communists.
Sea level is NOT rising. I can go and stand on the shore of Manukau Harbour, where I stood 60 years ago, and can't see the difference. But, if I get out a millimetre ruler, on a very still day, I can see that there has been maybe 60 mm increase in high tide level [I have not actually measured it, other than by standing there and trust that the climatologists have measured correctly]. 60 mm in half a century is nothing. It has been rising since the end of The Little Ice Age which preceded the CO2 emissions so we can't claim to have caused that with our CO2.
Over the last 100 years, the Fox, Franz Josef, Tasman and other glaciers and ice fields have melted to higher levels than 200 years ago in the thick of the cold. That's the source of the sea level rise. Not CO2 warming the ocean, causing expansion.
But even if CO2 is causing thermal expansion of the ocean, the rate is so slow that it's trivial. Meanwhile, the ice is accumulating on Antarctica, even if there's a slight decline in the Arctic, on land, which is where the ice needs to melt to raise sea level. The ice cap at the pole getting thinner doesn't raise sea level [I guess you know that].
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