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Politics : Manmade Global Warming, A hoax? A Scam? or a Doomsday Cult?

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To: Don Hurst who wrote (3798)2/13/2014 7:40:58 PM
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"Just amazing how politically partisan you right wing deniers of science"...

First, the "deniers of science"... are the ones trying foist FRAUD on you, while calling it science... while doing back flips in the effort to avoid ANY application of the most BASIC tests of logic and reason... to the crap they're pushing.

I AM a scientist... who will gladly deny that "making shit up" is science.

I am NOT a "science whore"... or a marketing focused policy advocate or media hack with a salary based on pay to play... who will say whatever... without regard to the truth... as long the team likes it.

The truth is... a lot of scientists are lying. That they're ABLE to do that, as easily as they are... is a reason for you to be concerned about larger systems issues, like the state of education... and the health of the institution of science as a function of a failing education system... and liberal derangement syndrome... while you see "science" proving unable to keep its high priests from drooling in public.

And, there is a cost associated with that devolution. The obvious costs include spending way too much for way too little in real results... as, anytime you pay people to tell you what you want to hear to sustain funding... you shouldn't expect "truth" rather than more of what you want to hear... even when its wrong ? Other costs... include reputational damage, when actual truth being accidentally revealed, in spite of your efforts to hide it... also means you are revealed as the frauds and whores you are ? Science is being grossly damaged by the institutional FOSTERING, much less tolerance, of malpractice.

I insist science must be a process based in reason... that proceeds from the formulation of a RANGE of valid questions to a search for valid answers... which search MUST be conducted WITHOUT BIAS on the part of observers in regard to what the answer "must be"... and science must NOT be allowed to become a process of selecting answers, first, based in things other than science, and then allocating massive resources to defending them at all costs... which is fraud. Is there ANY aspect in this debate... that suggests the effort in "the science" is being fostered in a way that works to isolate it from BIAS ? Those responsible for eliminating bias... which is integral to sustaining integrity... are the ones requiring the bias ? Science... has failed... and, the failure you see in the RESULT... is merely an indication of the failure of the institution.

It is revealing of your own ignorance, though, that you choose to show you are another liberal partisan who is also an intolerant bigot... a religious bigot... apparently too stupid to understand that science and religion are in no way incompatible... and (in spite of the religious or scientific reasoning errors of any human) NEVER can be. That isn't a claim any religious OR scientific infallibility exists, rather than the opposite... but it (science and religion are in no way incompatible) is true by definition in relation to the logic of the structure of reason, as reason is applied in generating the LIMITS that define science... which limits do not apply in other forms of reasoning. Science only works because it is narrowly LIMITED in its logical structure... the limits narrowing the range in what science CAN apply to... and thus science CAN have nothing to say... EVER... about things that ARE outside of its comprehension, which is limited by its own structure.

Science has less to say, and can say anything it does only with less authority... than any other religion... because, as a religion... science is the only one wearing a blindfold... while reading the eye chart.

If you are depending on science to give you answers about things like humanity, morality, spirituality, God, love, family, community, freedom, justice, law... you need to have your head examined.

That I'm here lambasting the obvious and basic failures in reasoning apparent in "science" now... doesn't seem to provide you with a reason to suspect I'd support flawed reasoning... anywhere else ? Your error.

The irony, of course, is that much of the problem being identified here... results precisely from what you appear to demonstrate... in a RELIGIOUS belief in the infallibility of science (in spite of reason disallowing that)... which infallibility it is supposed to sustain, somehow, while the process we see fostering that fervent belief... fails entirely in adhering to ITS OWN most obvious basic tenets of reason ?

What we see here today... are obviously fallacious arguments being advanced... as proofs that science is infallible... and obviously, that means those (sadly, few) who CAN identify fraud when they see it in the structure of an argument... must be the ones who are irrational ? LOL!!

As far as my political bias... I'm against making stupidity the basis of public policy.

Obamacare... is stupid. It is the KIND of stupid... that requires only working at putting square pegs in round holes... in spite of having plenty of round pegs. It appears the only real consequences of the entire thing... are "unintended". It is the same... in terms of origins... being wholly based in (Obama et al) assuming they understood how things work, when they very clearly didn't, and still don't...

If you are NOT AT ALL surprised by the obvious failure... you are of at least average intelligence...
If you are or ever were SURPRISED it isn't working as advertised... well, "not".
If you are "SHOCKED, SHOCKED"... you are Nancy Pelosi.

It is FACT that same process of denial you see being practiced, now, in relation to the failure of the fraud that has been practiced in global warming science... is easily recognizable in the patterns of behavior you see emerging in relation to the failure of Obamacare... Same process, tactics, etc. The most remarkable thing about the politics of it, though, is that the Democrats KNEW that it wouldn't work when they put it together... and they gladly went along with it anyway...

Apparently... some liberals have a lemming gene...

People aren't particularly innovative... in how they deal with being stupid... or having that be proven. One obvious approach... is dilution, so that by failing en mass, at least no one will blame you individually ? Belonging to a "team" that defines your political thought... for you... is a labor saving device... that means you don't have think about stuff much, or deeply, but just parrot the party line. Still a good idea to be aware... there ARE risks in that method... worth avoiding. So, parties may be good fun, and simplify life, but, avoiding Jim Jones Kool-aide parties... is still worth doing.

When Republicans ARE being as stupid as Democrats and inflicting damage on themselves and others along with them... I'll be glad to point that out, as I have often enough in the past. For now, they appear mostly to be doing nothing... while allowing Democrats to fail... taking everyone else down with them. For, now, the D's appear to have patented a new method that requires sustaining a far more potent form of stupidity for a much longer time, after it has proven itself toxic... and that looks wildly and dangerously dysfunctional, to me.
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