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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices
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To: tejek who wrote (784412)5/14/2014 7:03:37 AM
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Hi tejek; Re: "Who the hell are you? ... When you become a scientist, get back to me.;

Who I am does not matter. In fact, I am a physicist in academia. But for our purposes that does not matter. What matters are the facts under debate.

Re: "You make sweeping judgements based on what? Nothing to be exact.";

My "sweeping generalization" that you quote is only a single sentence in a long post. It is based on things that are quite exact but you didn't answer the exact items, probably because you have no answer to them. Here, I'll repeat them for you:

Read the article carefully. They never make a comparison between the amount of neonicotinoi they applied to colonies and the minuscule amounts seen in real world hives. The solution they were giving was poisoned at 136 ug/kg but only for part of the hive's food. Typical pollen poisoning rates are about 1 to 3ug/kg. So was it realistic? To make a realistic experiment, they need to apply the pesticide at the labeled amounts to one field and not to another, and see how beehives do according to which field they're near. Why didn't they run that experiment? Probalby because the beekeepers have already run it. It's well known in the community that many beekeepers have healthy bees even though they're next to fields that use these insecticides.

The cause of CCD is well known among beekeepers; varroa mite infections allow bees to catch viruses more easily and the virus shortens the lifespan of the bees. Bees with a virus fly off and don't come back, an evolutionary adaptation that reduces the transmission of the virus. The result is the mysterious empty hive. This happens in winter when there are the fewest bees around as new bees aren't being produced.

And beekeepers know how to keep the problem under control. This is why you can still buy honey cheap. Here's a typical article:
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Now answer my critique with logic instead of empty accusations. Better, read the literature like I did and come to understand the problem.

-- Carl
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