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Pastimes : Ask God

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To: O'Hara who wrote (1561)9/23/1996 10:43:00 AM
From: david boyce   of 39621
 
Bro. Shalom, good morning. On the subject of does God exist, I believe Heb 11:1, 3 tells us how it is proved that God exists. God proves Himself to His children, not to the unregenerate.

"KJV --Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

NIV-- Heb 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

AMP. BIBLE
11:1 Now faith is the assurance(the confirmation, the title-deed) of the things (we) hope for, being the proof of things (we) do not see and the conviction of their reality --- faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses."

To me this says that faith makes real(proves) the invisible things of God. The evidence in a court room trial is that which is used to "prove" a point one way or the other. Faith is the thing that gives substance, reality, assurance, confirmation, title-deed to the things we hope for, which are the invisible things of God. This same faith is the evidence in the courtroom of the world that is used as "proof" that God exists.
Here's the problem with the unregenerate person. They want to use the reason/logic of the world to explain the existence(prove) of God. As you know, God says it cannot be done.

"1 Cor 1:20 ...... Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
1 Cor 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom, did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

1 Cor 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Cor 1:27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,
1 Cor 1:28 and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen, the things that are not, that He might nullify the things that are...."

They have the cart before the horse. They want to prove God then have faith. This is backwards. A person must have faith in God first, this then "proves" God exists because, like you say, He comes to live in our heart and testifies to us that we are His.

God loves us,

David
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