It wasn't a lie. A retreating glacier uncovered medieval gold workings. In AK, retreating glaciers are uncovering trees covered by glaciers more than 1000 years ago.
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Receding Swiss glaciers incoveniently reveal 4000 year old forests – and make it clear that glacier retreat is nothing new
The trees, ruins, the Viking Greenland settlements, and of course, Otzi the iceman, are damning proof that Mann's claims about past temperatures are crap.
Posted on August 8, 2014 by Anthony Watts
By Larry Bell
Dr. Christian Schlüchter’s discovery of 4,000-year-old chunks of wood at the leading edge of a Swiss glacier was clearly not cheered by many members of the global warming doom-and-gloom science orthodoxy.
This finding indicated that the Alps were pretty nearly glacier-free at that time, disproving accepted theories that they only began retreating after the end of the little ice age in the mid-19th century. As he concluded, the region had once been much warmer than today, with “a wild landscape and wide flowing river.”
Dr. Schlüchter’s report might have been more conveniently dismissed by the entrenched global warming establishment were it not for his distinguished reputation as a giant in the field of geology and paleoclimatology who has authored/coauthored more than 250 papers and is a professor emeritus at the University of Bern in Switzerland.
Then he made himself even more unpopular thanks to a recent interview titled “Our Society is Fundamentally Dishonest” which appeared in the Swiss publication Der Bund where he criticized the U.N.-dominated institutional climate science hierarchy for extreme tunnel vision and political contamination.
Following the ancient forest evidence discovery Schlüchter became a target of scorn. As he observes in the interview, “I wasn’t supposed to find that chunk of wood because I didn’t belong to the close-knit circle of Holocene and climate researchers. My findings thus caught many experts off guard: Now an ‘amateur’ had found something that the [more recent time-focused] Holocene and climate experts should have found.”
Other evidence exists that there is really nothing new about dramatic glacier advances and retreats. In fact the Alps were nearly glacier-free again about 2,000 years ago. Schlüchter points out that “the forest line was much higher than it is today; there were hardly any glaciers. Nowhere in the detailed travel accounts from Roman times are glaciers mentioned.”
Schlüchter criticizes his critics for focusing on a time period which is “indeed too short.” His studies and analyses of a Rhone glacier area reveal that “the rock surface had [previously] been ice-free 5,800 of the last 10,000 years.”
More here: http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/warming-global-climate/2014/06/17/id/577481/#ixzz355f6L5y2
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On Pierre Gosselin’s “No Tricks Zone” we have this:
Distinct solar imprint on climate
What’s more worrisome, Schlüchter’s findings show that cold periods can strike very rapidly. Near the edge of Mont Miné Glacier his team found huge tree trunks and discovered that they all had died in just a single year. The scientists were stunned.
The year of death could be determined to be exactly 8195 years before present. The oxygen isotopes in the Greenland ice show there was a marked cooling around 8200.”
That finding, Schlüchter states, confirmed that the sun is the main driver in climate change.
Today’s “rapid” changes are nothing new
In the interview he casts doubt on the UN projection that the Alps will be almost glacier-free by 2100, reminding us that “the system is extremely dynamic and doesn’t function linearly” and that “extreme, sudden changes have clearly been seen in the past“. History’s record is unequivocal on this.
Schlüchter also doesn’t view today’s climate warming as anything unusual, and poses a number of unanswered questions:
Why did the glaciers retreat in the middle of the 19th century, although the large CO2 increase in the atmosphere came later? Why did the earth ‘tip’ in such a short time into a warming phase? Why did glaciers again advance in 1880s, 1920s and 1980s? [...] Sooner or later climate science will have to answer the question why the retreat of the glacier at the end of the Little Ice Age around 1850 was so rapid.”
On science: “Our society is fundamentally dishonest”
CO2 fails to answer many open questions. Already we get the sense that hockey stick climate claims are turning out to be rather sorrowful and unimaginative wives’ tales. He summarizes on the refusal to acknowledge the reality of our past: “Our society in fundamentally dishonest“.
- - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/06/09/giant-of-geologyglaciology-christian-schluechter-refutes-co2-feature-interview-throws-climate-science-into-disarray/#sthash.z6pKzqtQ.dpuf
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/08/receding-swiss-glaciers-incoveniently-reveal-4000-year-old-forests-and-make-it-clear-that-glacier-retreat-is-nothing-new/#more-114223
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Michael Asten says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:06 am
Full marks to Dr. Christian Schlüchter. But the general point about existence of large glacial advance and retreat over thousands of years has been around for some time, at least to those who have eyes to read or ears to hear.
Example notes on archaeology from 9 years ago at
http://climateaudit.org/2005/11/18/archaeological-finds-in-retreating-swiss-glacier/
Also I recall remains of a Roman bridge being uncovered a few years ago below a retreating alpine glacier. Anyone recall a reference?
Michael Asten says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:07 am
Full marks to Dr. Christian Schlüchter. But the general point about existence of large glacial advance and retreat over thousands of years has been around for some time, at least to those who have eyes to read or ears to hear.
Example notes on archaeology from 9 years ago at
http://climateaudit.org/2005/11/18/archaeological-finds-in-retreating-swiss-glacier
hunter says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:12 am
Those darn flat earthers! Their backers, the Koch brothers have gone and fabricated physical evidence again. Good thing the enlightened climatocrats know what to do about inconvenient problems like this.
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ducdorleans says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:43 am
I often ask warmistas whether they have heard of “Otzi” … and why he was discovered only recently …
but further on, I also ask them how he got there in the first place … and the possible circumstances about not only him being there, but clearly also his agressors …
the conversation usually ends there and then …
[ On 19 September 1991, Ötzi was found by two German tourists from Nuremberg, ...... They believed that the body was of a recently deceased mountaineer. [5] The next day, a mountain gendarme and the keeper of the nearby Similaunhütte first attempted to remove the body, which was frozen in ice below the torso, using a pneumatic drill and ice-axes, but had to give up due to bad weather. ]
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Oldseadog says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:38 am
If Michael Mann had found the bits of wood he would have hidden them or turned them into hockey sticks and pucks.
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BioBob says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:55 am
This is not that unique an problem for warmists. In 1991 hikers in the Italian/Austrian Alps found a Bronze Age corpse named Ötzi was uncovered intact and in situ at the bottom of glacial melt. oops !
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman
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rgbatduke says:
Don B says:
August 8, 2014 at 5:27 am
A similar message has emerged in Alaska:
“An ancient forest has thawed from under a melting glacier in Alaska and is now exposed
to the world for the first time in more than 1,000 years.
“Stumps and logs have been popping out from under southern Alaska’s Mendenhall Glacier — a 36.8-square-mile (95.3 square kilometers) river of ice flowing into a lake near Juneau — for nearly the past 50 years. However, just within the past year or so, researchers based at the University of Alaska Southeast in Juneau have noticed considerably more trees popping up, many in their original upright position and some still bearing roots and even a bit of bark, the Juneau Empire first reported last week.”
http://www.livescience.com/39819-ancient-forest-thaws.html
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Ric Werme says:
August 8, 2014 at 5:40 am
Schlüchter has been finding stuff for a while, as have other people. My interest was piqued by two or three articles I read within a week’s time, and recorded them, and later ones, in Glacial Retreat of 5,000-7,000 Years Ago
Events are not limited to the Alps, for example, in Peru Lonnie Thompson found
Ancient plant beds have been newly uncovered as the ice retreats. The first were discovered in 2002, more are uncovered each year, and carbon dating indicates that most have been buried for at least 5,000 years.
Oetzi died during this period, his final resting spot was exposed 5500 years after his death.
A common theme of these articles is to report how anomalous our current temperatures are compared to the past. (Warmest in 7,000 years! Disaster is near!) Surprisingly absent is speculation that there may be more botanical and archaeological remains to be found should glaciers retreat further. |
