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To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (12925)10/29/2015 11:25:38 AM
From: E. Charters  Read Replies (1) of 17107
 
I decided to do a bullshit sandwich. Two pieces of sage advice surrounding thickly sliced bullshit.

Now you are championing medical doctors where several posts ago they were idiots. How Donald of you.

Well ok, at least he is interested in the subject. The trouble with medical doctors of the heart, is that while their medical knowledge is valuable, their exposure to research statistics vis a vis diet and the outcomes or markers is not necessarily better than any other analyst. To ignore what happens to a million people or 300 million, is perhaps unwise.

I find myself at odds with Davis as his markers and decisions are very hardbound based on his own limited research. These subjects take a LOT of study and MANY studies to make up one's mind.

Your statement that several accepted ways of looking at diet and the conclusions the advisories made are flawed based on these logical levels:

1. One that the conclusions and advice were widely made and accepted.

2. That the advice given was followed to the letter.

3. that given the following of the advice e.g. eat more polyunsaturates, the results were decidedly negative.

4. that these results are valid, due to use of blind control groups and elimination of confounding factors.

1 has a generality problem. Who found what from which study.

2 has a compliance problem. Who followed the advice, and for how long and how strictly? You will never know as there were no clinical studies done probably that carry any weight. Reporting studies sometimes called introspective studies are notoriously innaccurate and imprecise as people like confabulate and can't remember. They want to please researchers and look good.

3 has a results problem. See 2. How were the results collected and what analysis was made?

4 flows from all 3 preceding. Confounding factors not controlled for with no control groups, blind(v) results.
“Reduce your intake of cholesterol, fat, and saturated fat.”

“Use more polyunsaturated fats.”

“Move more and eat less.”

“Oats are heart healthy.”

“Follow a balanced diet.”

“Eat more healthy whole grains.”

None of the above has been disproven. If so, quote the group of studies which do so. And it is not enough to say so, or we now know. At least give a link or reference.
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