To;Bob,Chris,Robert,Emile
I have stayed in the background but I have been reading some of the posts by all of you and have tried to keep an open mind in what you are trying to say and understand were you all are coming from. We as believers have to be very careful with our intentions and motives especially when we feel we are representing Gods words. I myself am not God and will refuse to Judge any person for there beliefs only to spread the good news of the shedding of Jesus (Yeshua) blood so that all can be saved and have everlasting life. I cannot accept the following from any Christian and the following is just a few of many statements;
Message 2869309
The Scriptures and the Apostles themselves tell us in numerous places that the antichirst Jews and their leaders were responsible for the Crucifixion of Christ.
Message 2896777
All the promises of Abraham belongs to the Christians--those that are in Christ Jesus. The old covenant is dead and you, through your pride of race and religion, are trying to ressurect it. You call yourself a Christians but you seem to want to associate more with antichrist Talmudic Judaism than with your true brothers in Christ.
I do agree on one thing we must ALL accept Jesus (Yeshua) as our Saviour and ask for forgiveness of sins. But all of you use this as a sword especially towards the Jewish people, how can you love a God and reject the very people God choose to write his word. Don't take this as lifting the Jews up above everyone else because I am not.
I think the following verses need to be looked at it starts at;Heb:11:7
7: By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8: By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9: By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11: Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12: Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13: These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14: For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15: And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16: But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17: By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18: Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20: By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21: By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22: By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23: By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24: By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25: Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26: Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27: By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28: Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29: By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30: By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31: By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32: And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34: Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35: Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38: (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39: And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
There is a purpose for the Jews for God will not change the promises he made to the Jews. Many say that the Jews who died in the Holocaust are going to Hell for the mere fact that they were blinded from accepting there Messiah their was a purpose in all that is taking place and I go back to this verse; Mt:7:1: Judge not, that ye be not judged. God knows our hearts asking with ones mouth means nothing to him it,s ones spirit that is of importance. Hate groups believe in Christ they have confessed to him and acknowledge the death of Christ and the shedding of his blood by the hands of the killer Jews, since they did confess with there mouths are they going to heaven? What makes them different from any other group which confesses with there mouth anyone can do that but the only true confession is with ones spirit which one cannot fake before God. Robert said he loves the Jews? first of all what Jews is he talking about according to him we are all Jews. Or he may say he loves the Jews but rejects there culture and religion in it's entirety well if you love them how at the same time reject the very purpose of the existence.
The following is what Christians take and run with;
Jn:11:25: Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I Agree with those verses 100% but the Christians use it as a sword to condemn all people and races without knowing there spirits whether loving or hateful but God knows :-)
I remember one verse in the Bible were the one criminal that was hanging on the cross next to Jesus said these words;
Lk:23:42: And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
And Jesus answered;
43: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
All he said was Remember me
Jesus knew this mans spirit it wasn't a verbal confession as much as a spiritual one. Anybody can confess with the mouth and not the spirit.
God knows the spirit of all people including the Jews who died in the Holocaust and there is a second coming and a day of Judgement not by so called Christians but by GOD. But do not take what I am saying that all Christians need to look at themselves there are a number of blessed Christians out there but many are Judgemental and condemners and twist many of what the Bible is telling us to satisfy there own personal pride and naive spirits. It goes back to the sheep in wolves clothing issue.
What I do know is this Jesus is the only way to Heaven and one must accept him and ask for forgiveness of sins if that is done on this earth and you are in tune with what God wants spiritually not just with your mouth it only insures you entree into Gods kingdom.
But I can not find anyplace in the Bible the conditions of accepting him on the basis of ones own death. All will face him again and he will determine our salvation based on our spirits and a true acceptance of him not a phony one with just with words one chooses to use.
One last thought out of the Bible;
Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And in closing Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (The Jews).
Alan
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