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Politics : View from the Center and Left

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From: koan11/14/2016 6:07:48 PM
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Just as I hold Nader responsible for all the pain and suffering that Bush caused, so I hold Jill Stein responsible for all the pain and suffering Trump is going to bring to this nation and world.

If she was really the great oracle, she would've seen what was happening and stood up and thrown her support behind Clinton. But instead she decided to feed her ego like most petty people and the way I read her from the beginning.

We have sown in the wind and so we shall reap the whirlwind. And it is going to be so much worse than most people are visualizing. I think the reason for that, is the pain and suffering that is going to ensue is simply something we have never experienced in this country in our lifetimes. We see it in other countries, but we don't internalize it. We can't imagine that it can happen here. Keep that in mind.

I expect we will see the shadow quite soon.

Salon:". So close that third-party candidates could have affected outcome. This year’s third-party candidates, notably Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Jill Stein, clearly took votes away from both candidates. Stein, who was a protest vote for many of Bernie Sanders’ supporters, could have stopped Clinton from winning in Michigan, Wisconsin and possibly Pennsylvania. In Michigan, where Trump’s lead on Thursday was 11,800 votes, Stein had 50,700 votes. In Wisconsin, where Trump leads by 27,200 votes, Stein had 31,000 votes. But it gets more complicated after that, because there might be some Johnson supporters who would have voted for Clinton if he weren’t a different kind of protest vote. In Florida, where Trump leads by 119,700 votes, Johnson received 206,000 votes and Stein 64,000 votes. In Pennsylvania, where Trump leads by 68,230 votes, Stein had 49,000 votes. Stein supporters argued on a Reddit forum that Stein didn’t keep Clinton from the presidency, saying, “She still loses … See that red Pennsylvania in there?” But that’s not entirely persuasive, because these battleground states ended up with razor-thin margins. Third-party candidates may very well have affected the results.
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