Paul, I'll try to answers your questions but you really ought to look at the product literature on Novell's web site to get a good feel for what the various (and there are many) IP-based NetWare products do.
There are several ways that IP and NetWare can work together:
1) Client systems need to run IP locally. LAN WorkPlace for DOS, Windows, Mac and OS/2 are all native TCP/IP stacks and applications that have been around for years. They are historically among the best-selling PC-based TCP/IP clients on the market, even if Nimrod's company doesn't use them. These products are no more or less IP-centric than any other products (like NetManage or WRQ or FTP or whoever).
Compare this to MS, which provides a stack in the client, but no apps (other than character-based telnet and ftp clients). Novell's native-IP client is 100 times better than MS'.
2) Client systems need to run IP apps and access IP-based systems but don't want to run IP on their PCs. There are a number of vendors that offer IPX-based IP gateways that allow customer to run WinSock-based apps over IPX. Another system on the LAN then turns these IPX packets into IP. Among the vendors offering these products are FTP (via the acquisition of Novix), QuarterDeck, Cisco, and now Novell. These gateways provide a natural firewall, and also keep the number of desktop protocols down to one. Since lots of companies have internal networks of IPX (just like lots have SNA and IP), using an IPX gateway solution makes a lot of sense.
By the way, Microsoft makes one of these for NT now.
3) Clients need to access NetWare servers, but don't want to run IPX on their PCs. This is what NetWare/IP provides. It's also what was provided with the IPTUNNEL.NLM that used to come with NetWare 3.x (and still does with 4.x). DOS, Windows, NT, and OS/2 clients can run IP stacks on their desktops while still running NetWare applications and services 100%. This is done by encapsulating NCPs (NetWare Core Protocols) inside of IP packets instead of IPX packets.
This is what most people compare to NT's "native" TCP/IP network services. However, they tend to conveniently forget that NT is using NetBIOS datagrams inside of TCP/IP, which is a joke. NCP inside of IP is a million times more robust and scalable than NetBIOS-over-TCP.
4) The NetWare server needs to interact with IP-based systems. NetWare 3.x and higher has come with a free, bundled TCP/IP stack that runs on the server, allowing you to use your server in non- NetWare shops. For example, if there are UNIX hosts on the network that need to access the NetWare server's filesystem, they can do so using the NFS server component on the NetWare host. If NetWare DOS clients need to access remote UNIX filesystems, they can do so using an NFS driver with LAN WorkPlace, or they can add the NFS Gateway to their NetWare server, which will make the remote NFS system look like a NetWare volume. There are other add-on products, like an FTP server, a Telnet server, a print server, and of course a web server.
Microsoft has a print server, and an FTP/Web server, but no NFS or Telnet servers.
As you can tell, there are a lot of options available to NetWare customers regarding the use of TCP/IP on NetWare LANs. Networking is about cross-platform connectivity, something Novell understands, and that multi-vendor customers need. Novell supports their own, optimized technology, as well as IP-centric systems like UNIX, Mac systems, mainframes, DEC VAXes, and even OSI hosts.
On the other hand, MS only supports Windows and Mac. The difference is that Novell is a networking company, and MS is a desktop company. The people that use NT for networking either discover this the hard way, or they lower their expectations and then get rid of everything but their WinTel systems. I'm not one who likes to let my vendor tell me what I can or cannot buy. Some people need that, just like they used to turn their computing budgets over to IBM.
> The second school includes companies like Netscape which have put > their web server products on every NOS except Novell claiming > something about Novell not supporting "open systems".
I doubt that was the terminology used for their reasons not to port their servers to NetWare. It was probably the terminology used to sell against NetWare as a corporate networking platform in general (ie, in competition).
I agree that there should be loads of third-party, non-Novell TCP/IP products available on the NetWare platform. I use my home NetWare server for SMTP/POP mail, DNS, Web and FTP with no problems whatsoever, so I know that there are a variety of solutions on the market already. What's missing is a "big name" like Netscape. From what I've seen in the press, Marengi is indicating that these negotiations are on-going. |